{"id":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":780,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.216Z","text":"有网络有电脑就能发动议，没人阻挡得了你。我只是提醒一下可能出现的几种情况，你要做好应对预案：\n\n1. Torres会先判老郭的刑，判刑当天出初步没收令，开启30天动议提交期，然后处理第三方动议。\n\n2. 老郭被判刑以后肯定要上诉，上诉期间，Torres处理你们第三方动议还可能暂停，所以其实等到处理你们动议的时候老郭要么：\n\n2.1 老郭刑事案翻案：如果是这种情况，那么政府扣押资产都会还给老郭；\n\n2.2 老郭刑事案上诉失败：那你们打第三方动议给老郭翻案也没有用，你说了上诉不审核新证据，只看现有证据\n\n3. 你想通过打第三方动议给老郭翻案，理由是通过第三方动议可以逼Luc交出他登记了哪些老郭的债权人，然后想办法证明这些债权人中有的人申报虚假债权，然后被检方拿来作为老郭搞诈骗的受害人立了一个刑事案，是这个思路吧。如果Luc老奸巨猾，从刑事案第三方程序里退出了，他说政府扣押的资产Luc我不要了，那你怎么通过刑事庭动议继续逼Luc拿出债权人名单？你要想一个备用方案，比如（我随便举例）去破产庭打Luc？\n\n4. 当然，你想提第三方动议尽管去提，谁也阻止不了。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q7415103f7a28d6b56acd","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:59:26.622Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7415103f7a28d6b56acd"},{"id":"q35a2a35f06401c513779","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T18:59:41.257Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35a2a35f06401c513779"},{"id":"q01605978c7ea4a2efb66","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:59:49.011Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01605978c7ea4a2efb66"},{"id":"q2862838f97f38460467b","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.239Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2862838f97f38460467b"},{"id":"q6174920316a2405d2d78","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:06:30.352Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6174920316a2405d2d78"},{"id":"qf4d6557db92624bab991","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:08:53.919Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d6557db92624bab991"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T18:08:00.016Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  你今天第一次说话 说明我们搞的事情 你们坐不住了吧🤣","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265"}}