{"id":"qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":212,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:38:09.066Z","text":"因为它证明政府自己曾经告诉Torres：\n\n为什么必须统一ancillary proceeding？\n\n因为要避免同一资产的第三方产权出现inconsistent rulings。\n\n而现在5739又在Government和Trustee之间重新划分：\n\nForfeiture Assets / Estate Assets。\n\n这两段程序语言放在一起，很值得比较。\n\n⸻\n\n所以现在我给截图里的讨论做一个最终校准：\n\nRobert正确：\n720郭Money Judgment = 约$1.3b。\n\nQodty正确：\n王的第三方forfeiture petitions确实被要求等待郭的POF以后统一处理。\n\nRobert需要修正：\n691所谓“合并处理”不是把王和郭的money judgment合并，而是把同一批Specific Property的第三方产权争议合并到一个ancillary proceeding。\n\n现在最值得追的新问题：\n\n如果Wang的money judgment确实包含GTV $411m，而SEC已经实际取得/处理这部分资金，858又因此给Guo减掉$411m，那么Wang judgment有没有获得相应credit？如果没有，政府如何避免对同一GTV corpus重复计算/重复满足forfeiture judgment？\n\n这条比“王14亿为什么郭变13亿”更精准。\n\n而且你刚上传的691和720已经把“政府主动延迟第三方产权裁判，等待郭的POF统一处理”这个事实彻底钉死了。这个以后研究5739和第三方产权时，我认为会很有用。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151/pages/2","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qe79eb4fa49ae63919563","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:37:18.003Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe79eb4fa49ae63919563"},{"id":"q6b7bf2e5ee0832861e45","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:37:31.675Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b7bf2e5ee0832861e45"},{"id":"qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:37:48.028Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c"},{"id":"q2c6d2d62a6f026267470","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:40:31.631Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c6d2d62a6f026267470"},{"id":"q680a42e07a6989ba5237","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:44:05.900Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q680a42e07a6989ba5237"},{"id":"q5d789aaac8aab1fee93e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:44:29.277Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d789aaac8aab1fee93e"}],"parent_message":null}