{"id":"qa128403d2feffda32534","batch_id":"batch-000152","seq":138,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-26T08:34:28.080Z","text":"这对 26-1853 很有价值，因为以后如果上诉律师研究 Rule 32.2 / forfeiture amount / satisfaction of the money judgment / bankruptcy asset allocation，不能再把5739仅仅看成“破产Trustee和政府之间互不争资产”的外围事件。5777自己承认：和解可能导致本来属于“forfeitable asset”的价值继续留在bankruptcy estate，因此必须特别保留郭以后主张forfeiture judgment credit的可能性。\n\n对第三方产权线，5777也比我们之前预想的更有利，但不要扩大解释。第7段确实非常宽地保留了其他实体对Trustee和estate的rights/interests/claims；第4段又禁止把5739当作adversary proceeding中的产权证明。这很接近“批准和解≠裁决第三方产权”。 但它并没有直接写成“所有§853(n)/§1963(l) petition automatically preserved and successful”，刑事附属没收程序里的具体产权仍然要按相应程序证明。\n\n还有一个非常值得注意的细节：5777拟议令第1段仍然写着，未撤回、未和解的 objections 和 reservations of rights 都被 overruled；但紧接着第4、7、8段又专门把重要权利 carve out。 所以如果法院最后签的就是这一版，实际结果更像：\n\n“你们没有成功阻止5739整体批准，但批准5739不能被用来消灭你们另行存在的产权/诉权，也不能封死郭在刑案中关于forfeiture credit的争议。”\n\n这一点以后读最终order时必须牢牢记住。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa128403d2feffda32534","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa128403d2feffda32534","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa128403d2feffda32534/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qa128403d2feffda32534","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q8f9f134fe7a40927beb6","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-26T08:01:00.458Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f9f134fe7a40927beb6"},{"id":"q33fbc3624bb8746f253c","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-26T08:01:32.972Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33fbc3624bb8746f253c"},{"id":"q60a83c8faf683378c719","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-26T08:33:53.881Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60a83c8faf683378c719"},{"id":"q4fdaf0c74b0d1d39fdc0","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-26T08:37:05.565Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fdaf0c74b0d1d39fdc0"},{"id":"q1b5797a439ef2d5f0e40","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-26T09:07:57.900Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b5797a439ef2d5f0e40"},{"id":"q98e44c00f64e360fefea","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-26T09:24:55.374Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98e44c00f64e360fefea"}],"parent_message":null}