{"id":"qa13e43d94c415d25691e","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":50,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T05:55:19.709Z","text":"几个[屏蔽词]看不出来，这里也在帮忙奶托雷斯，让她量刑，那怎么办呢\n为什么“没收”难产，他们心里没有B数","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa13e43d94c415d25691e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa13e43d94c415d25691e","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa13e43d94c415d25691e/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qa13e43d94c415d25691e","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:51:56.228Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5"},{"id":"q54f5afc8c222278d065a","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:53:27.942Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f5afc8c222278d065a"},{"id":"qabbbd81f8d4db10eebff","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:53:46.448Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabbbd81f8d4db10eebff"},{"id":"q02ee04c917e072f1b46e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:55:45.853Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02ee04c917e072f1b46e"},{"id":"qc4f79db0fc86aec7acbf","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:56:35.199Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4f79db0fc86aec7acbf"},{"id":"q2cd604205f8a6352ff00","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:58:13.149Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd604205f8a6352ff00"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:51:56.228Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  我来告诉你 托雷斯没有裁量权 怎么让案件彻底崩溃。 政治问题不裁决 主权冲突问题不裁决 有一系列法案支持 但是如果真的要论证托雷斯因政治问题 主权冲突 没有裁量权，门槛还是非常高。 但她蠢就蠢在，直接冲了量刑。这就违反了article iii最基本的 exercise 裁量权，根据二巡以往判例： 在重大主权问题 外交主权冲突 政治问题上 不exercise 裁量权 就是滥用裁量权，abuse of discretion。 所以我说托雷斯但凡智商为大于等于0的有理数，她都不会想到硬冲量刑。 本来全案推翻的法律论证我是比较虚的，现在她硬冲了 那就彻底被她的愚蠢做实了。 ［用户 cin***］ 你这个[屏蔽词]还在高兴我预测不量刑错了 你他妈真是个[屏蔽词]弱智啊","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5"}}