{"id":"qa3a28669699238a193d6","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":104,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:07:20.774Z","text":"我还发现一个很有意思的“acquittal vs later use”问题\n\n陪审团最终：\n\nGTV wire fraud Count 5无罪；\nGTV securities fraud Count 6无罪。\n\n但郭在Counts 1–4以及Farm/G Club/HEX counts被判有罪。\n\n后来政府在716没收申请中明确说：\n\n虽然jury在GTV fraud counts acquitted Guo，但法院在sentencing/forfeiture阶段仍可依据preponderance考虑GTV相关事实，并把GTV纳入RICO/fraud/money-laundering整体框架。\n\n这个对定罪本身不一定产生直接错误——陪审团可以在具体GTV substantive counts无罪，同时仍对更广泛conspiracy/RICO作有罪判断。\n\n但它提醒我们一个很重要的审查点：\n\nCount 1–4 verdict究竟有多少依赖GTV行为？\n\n如果jury明确对GTV实体欺诈罪无罪，那么RICO/Conspiracy里还剩哪些独立predicate和agreement证据？\n\n这正是你们前面群里争“没了证券欺诈是不是RICO也没了”真正应该怎么问。\n\n不是自动没。\n\n而是必须做：\n\nGTV evidence剔除/降权以后 → Count 1、2、3、4剩余证据还能不能独立维持。\n\n这个现在我认为值得进入逐Count矩阵。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a28669699238a193d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a28669699238a193d6","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a28669699238a193d6/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qa3a28669699238a193d6","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q898bf2311a8f7625892d","speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-25T04:04:03.206Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q898bf2311a8f7625892d"},{"id":"q482c3ca809e0eb3ec831","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:06:02.460Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q482c3ca809e0eb3ec831"},{"id":"qcf1de6786005238ea91a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:06:34.544Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf1de6786005238ea91a"},{"id":"q2f83c10399cd16baade0","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:08:14.666Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f83c10399cd16baade0"},{"id":"qd65c4351415e4ed892fc","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:11:58.363Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd65c4351415e4ed892fc"},{"id":"qcd1081ffe2c93ac6f1a4","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:16:37.412Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd1081ffe2c93ac6f1a4"}],"parent_message":null}