{"id":"qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":188,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:56:25.915Z","text":"所以Qodty真正应该追的，不是：\n\n“总涉案资金是不是还是14亿？”\n\n而应该问一个更尖锐的问题：\n\n858既然认定郭的GTV $411m不属于其$889m money judgment，那么那些仍留在郭Listed Property、以及后来新增的specific accounts中，究竟哪些资产曾被GXZ26归入GTV路径？对于这些财产，政府和法院具体依据哪个Guo conviction——Count 1/2/3/4还是7–11——证明它们仍然forfeitable？如果依据Wang的plea或Wang forfeiture，又如何满足对Guo本人right/title/interest以及Count 3 laundering-property nexus的要求？\n\n这才是真正可能挖出问题的地方。\n\n还有一个很关键的细节：6月30日新增的Supplemental POF本身没有说“因为Wang GTV认罪，所以这些就是GTV fraud proceeds”。 它写的是这些新增财产属于Guo的有罪Counts 1、2、4、7–11的proceeds，和/或Count 3 property involved in laundering。\n\n所以现在不能把“Wang plea guilty”直接当成政府保留所有GTV账户的唯一解释。\n\n我现在会把这条深挖成一张非常具体的表：\n\n原720每个Listed Property → GXZ26里它属于GTV/Farm/GClub/HEX哪条流 → 858之后是否保留 → 6/30以后是否新增 → 政府主张对应哪个Count → 是否依赖Wang forfeiture/plea → 是否有Guo本人的proceeds或laundering nexus finding。\n\n如果最后真出现：\n\n一个账户在GXZ26里主要是GTV路径，郭GTV Counts 5/6无罪、$411m又从money judgment剔除，但法院仍然仅凭笼统“G Enterprise/Count 3”把整个账户没收，没有具体解释非GTV犯罪资金如何进入或郭的权利范围，\n\n那就会比“总数是不是14亿”强得多，可能成为specific-property nexus / acquitted-GTV reuse的真正上诉点。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qa3d9cc40b304cf27b8a7","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q56b3e00fca9bd04da3c0","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T08:54:53.529Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b3e00fca9bd04da3c0"},{"id":"q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:55:45.644Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752d6ea35ff7e89456d2"},{"id":"q99786ca305e4046c35b1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T08:56:07.149Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99786ca305e4046c35b1"},{"id":"qcfe797ec678742d8b61b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:01:31.960Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe797ec678742d8b61b"},{"id":"q558560fc75095135b9ad","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:04.472Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558560fc75095135b9ad"},{"id":"q791fde4d3ff4e88f8471","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:09.719Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q791fde4d3ff4e88f8471"}],"parent_message":null}