{"id":"qa57ca8af83bd3fbf8286","batch_id":"batch-000149","seq":7,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T11:03:19.310Z","text":"继续往前追以后，我发现一个更重要的点：郭方不是到了2024年才突然想到CIPA。最迟在2023年7月，郭的律师就已经主动要求过CIPA下的ex parte conference。 公开案卷索引显示，ECF 111 的标题就是 Request for Ex Parte Conference Under CIPA by Ho Wan Kwok’s Counsel。这说明从案件非常早期开始，辩方就已经判断：本案中存在涉及classified information、而且对辩护策略重要到需要单独向法官说明的问题。\n\n而且政府这边也不是被动应付。更早的 ECF 52 就是在讨论CIPA程序框架；后来 ECF 252 又明确是政府提交的 Filing of Classified Motion Pursuant to Section 4 of CIPA。也就是说，这不是辩方单方面“幻想有秘密材料”，而是政府确实正式使用了CIPA §4机制要求法院允许其删减、替代或不披露某些classified discovery。\n\n这让我现在比较确定地说：CIPA在23-cr-118不是边角料，而是案件结构的一部分。\n\n更值得注意的是时间顺序。案子2023年3月才起诉，到了7月郭方已经主动要求CIPA ex parte conference；随后政府持续走§4；2024年又围绕Witness-2、CCP targeting、专家证言继续发生classified-information争议；到2026年量刑阶段，新律师还在要求重新审查。这个跨度太长，说明辩方一直认为sealed/classified record里有东西没有真正被公开法庭消化掉。\n\n我还发现一个对“郭一直想撬开CIPA”特别有利的旁证：Torres在trial阶段并没有把“中共针对郭”全部当成政治宣传排除掉。 2024年6月24日，她允许辩方专家Paul Doran至少就两类事情作证：中共反对郭公开支持的特定政治事业，以及纽约存在的秘密、法外中国警察站。也就是说，法院自己承认这类foreign-influence / transnational-repression背景至少有一部分与案件有关。\n\n所以现在可以把CIPA线分成三层：","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa57ca8af83bd3fbf8286","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa57ca8af83bd3fbf8286","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa57ca8af83bd3fbf8286/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qa57ca8af83bd3fbf8286","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc4c59bb4ef2341ab95ad","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T10:53:07.395Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4c59bb4ef2341ab95ad"},{"id":"q2589e692fe3c2f3570cf","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T10:53:32.329Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2589e692fe3c2f3570cf"},{"id":"qa117bcdc7ebc9bbdb8e0","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T10:59:47.818Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa117bcdc7ebc9bbdb8e0"},{"id":"q720d47a774f031d37dd8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T11:04:11.000Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q720d47a774f031d37dd8"},{"id":"q72f30fc5589675f7f902","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T11:06:27.802Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72f30fc5589675f7f902"},{"id":"qd12cd3c0e4c7d2c85e85","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T11:07:43.262Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd12cd3c0e4c7d2c85e85"}],"parent_message":null}