{"id":"qaa84ad0c600f7b265d50","batch_id":"batch-000148","seq":149,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T08:15:48.390Z","text":"所以说，那些破产案adversary里，选择与luc和解的傻X，是法盲🤣","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q685a6aa8342922ba7c64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa84ad0c600f7b265d50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q685a6aa8342922ba7c64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa84ad0c600f7b265d50","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa84ad0c600f7b265d50/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qaa84ad0c600f7b265d50","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q532a9b0633a726e0c499","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T08:05:08.046Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q532a9b0633a726e0c499"},{"id":"q462cae4d33ea219b6b03","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T08:05:59.837Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462cae4d33ea219b6b03"},{"id":"q685a6aa8342922ba7c64","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T08:06:11.231Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q685a6aa8342922ba7c64"},{"id":"q1509d3d93ee1d13fca12","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T08:18:10.948Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1509d3d93ee1d13fca12"},{"id":"q3a6181c5f0b64e08e2d2","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-20T08:40:15.853Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a6181c5f0b64e08e2d2"},{"id":"q7406e2f69a93765d74f0","speaker":".an***","date":"2026-08-20T08:41:27.931Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7406e2f69a93765d74f0"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q685a6aa8342922ba7c64","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T08:06:11.231Z","text":"更值得继续挖的是另一个问题：\n\n那260多件avoidance adversaries里面，作为付款人的HCHK Technologies、HCHK Property、G Club Operations等核心实体，在Luc第一次大批量起诉收款人之前，到底有没有各自已经生效的alter-ego / beneficial-ownership judgment？\n\n这个问题比Mahwah还关键。因为一旦把每一家“转出公司”的首次追回诉讼日期和首次alter-ego司法认定日期做成一张时间表，就能非常直观地看出来：\n\n到底是“先确认身份再追回”，还是“大规模先追回，再试图补做身份认定”。\n\n从我现在找到的材料看，后者至少在相当一部分诉讼里很可能正是实际发生的程序顺序。而5739的“seeking rulings”已经给这个方向提供了很强的原始卷宗支持。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q685a6aa8342922ba7c64"}}