{"id":"qac6cdab9e1dfbb735987","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":358,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T08:13:16.276Z","text":"其實郭通過律師，也主張先把錢退還給投資者。現在連量刑程序都走完了，不存在要錢老郭就會死的說法了。（個人認為）","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q0727334cad8aae9099f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6cdab9e1dfbb735987","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0727334cad8aae9099f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6cdab9e1dfbb735987","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6cdab9e1dfbb735987/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qac6cdab9e1dfbb735987","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q15652e6f0ca117611c6e","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T08:08:45.404Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15652e6f0ca117611c6e"},{"id":"qa7bdd352e279fd7d9498","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T08:09:01.371Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7bdd352e279fd7d9498"},{"id":"qc1474894b102844c3300","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-07T08:09:16.912Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1474894b102844c3300"},{"id":"qa6f215e6c6c56d11e2cb","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T08:14:04.219Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6f215e6c6c56d11e2cb"},{"id":"q9775e3cb62a6a2686b9e","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T08:14:15.568Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9775e3cb62a6a2686b9e"},{"id":"qbab831479f9f83330a70","speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T08:16:25.916Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbab831479f9f83330a70"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0727334cad8aae9099f0","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T06:34:29.756Z","text":"谁说的要钱的前提是郭必须被判？谁说的要钱的郭就必须死？他说的本来就是对的喜交所的钱是客户的不是郭的你政府扣押没收就不对应该还回去，跟郭判郭死有鸡毛关系？只不过碰上了不讲武德的托雷死不给批准，这件事法官是有裁量权的如果是别的法官没准就给批了当然要去争取一下，为什么不去争取？是我我都会去。你投资者照样可以自已去打程序问题不存在他阻止了别人自诉，而且现在很清楚了:托雷斯拖着不裁决853n 和不批盖尔的退款请求就是蓄意要把这些钱都算成loss , 如果把这些钱都退回去了就没办法再无耻地算在损失金额内，8亿损失就不可能量刑30年也实现不了","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0727334cad8aae9099f0"}}