{"id":"qaee23d8db493c5efa005","batch_id":"batch-000021","seq":691,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-31T16:36:22.427Z","text":"我感觉喜币之类在它自己的白皮书里定义和游戏规则已不重要，因为最终的法律定义已经盖棺：这是郭诈骗攫取切实资产的诸多依托之一。所以这帮人若愿索回利益，倒无需他们具体极其精确表述，只要他们能证明自己确有投资这些玩意儿，金额多少，法庭能理解不会深究毕竟大量受害者本质都是是信徒类的存在（他们终生不可能真的明白正常法理下的逻辑），不能因此刁难歧视。当然他们要是就张着嘴说，老子就不要钱别给我！我就只是要别人不能拿钱、因为我有“权益”，或者我就要喜币等等荒诞言辞，总之不能给我钱，那他们终将一无所有，因为你我很清楚，郭刑事案这块儿是定局，他们任何努力，跟翻案无分毫关系。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb612d526a5eb528a9c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaee23d8db493c5efa005","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb612d526a5eb528a9c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000021","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000021","notice":"清洗后的社区讨论原话，按时间分批归档，固定首次采集版本，不随原作者后续编辑或删除更新，不含附件内容。含不同观点、推测与未经核实的主张，不代表本站结论或法院认定。导读仅供定位，请阅读完整发言及回复上下文，并结合一手文书核验。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaee23d8db493c5efa005","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaee23d8db493c5efa005/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qaee23d8db493c5efa005","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qada891b82b6466d51af8","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T16:35:59.170Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qada891b82b6466d51af8"},{"id":"qdd04c08ce5dd0d02ac9d","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T16:36:11.781Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd04c08ce5dd0d02ac9d"},{"id":"qa3353a57fc0f783ce5e3","speaker":"joy***","date":"2025-07-31T16:36:12.313Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3353a57fc0f783ce5e3"},{"id":"qa94bdddada60b2dbc983","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-31T16:36:34.355Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa94bdddada60b2dbc983"},{"id":"qddaafae338b11647afe8","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T16:36:52.297Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddaafae338b11647afe8"},{"id":"q37b8a0bf6a34debbea4e","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-31T16:37:03.449Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37b8a0bf6a34debbea4e"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qdb612d526a5eb528a9c5","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-31T16:22:40.825Z","text":"我没有劝阻大家发动议的意思。大家可以把我这些问题当成写动议的一个思路提纲：\n1. 你提介入动议的法律依据是你「声称对根据本条下令没收给美国的财产拥有合法权益」\n\n2. 政府申请法院没收的资产有哪些？包括喜币吗？\n\n3. 如果你是对政府没收喜交所银行账户里的美元资产提介入动议，而理由是你是喜美元/喜币持有人，政府没收喜交所美元存款就是损害了你喜币/喜美元投资的合法权益，那么喜币白皮书里这句话：喜币/喜美元「未被赋予任何要求将其兑换为法定货币或加密资产的权利」怎么解读？你的动议里要有说法。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb612d526a5eb528a9c5"}}