{"id":"qaf66bebac6d70da0e817","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":214,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T13:19:39.637Z","text":"他的意思，你想从程序上取胜，绕过了郭违法的内容，属于投机取巧，就算赢了也改变不了他认为郭犯罪的想法和他认为的事实 ［用户 rui***］ 根本不是认同","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb71c28edf131c4721a82","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf66bebac6d70da0e817","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf66bebac6d70da0e817","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf66bebac6d70da0e817/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qaf66bebac6d70da0e817","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3ba152ea5630fa2580e9","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-08T13:17:13.699Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ba152ea5630fa2580e9"},{"id":"qb8d1b906a33d218d0521","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T13:18:04.091Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d1b906a33d218d0521"},{"id":"qc2faac5c3e868e6ff50c","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:18:29.966Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2faac5c3e868e6ff50c"},{"id":"qf328a07d0f25964fdb9c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-08T13:20:04.724Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf328a07d0f25964fdb9c"},{"id":"q60befe7ee5b5a21a3f41","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:22:07.097Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60befe7ee5b5a21a3f41"},{"id":"q59522ced78903f5888fe","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-08T13:24:35.760Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59522ced78903f5888fe"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb71c28edf131c4721a82","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:56.953Z","text":"两码事。我觉得你这个思路特别自洽，跳出这个框架，直击程序，就可以无视诈骗事实与否；毕竟如果谁研究的本质上是涉及郭案细节方面的问题，那就势必涉及郭诈骗本身真伪，却说自己可以不去研究任何案情具体论证过程，这在基本逻辑上是说不过去的","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82"}}