{"id":"qb37900b918e55aa5a612","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":17,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-09T12:38:01.061Z","text":"在法官一锤子没敲下来之前，只能说是潜在受害者，因为陪审团已经定罪。法官再定罪之后，就是真正的受害者了。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qb18fd205853cbe369c83","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb37900b918e55aa5a612","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb18fd205853cbe369c83","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb37900b918e55aa5a612","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb37900b918e55aa5a612/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb37900b918e55aa5a612","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q71773d2932b6ecb8a867","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-04-09T12:04:27.756Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71773d2932b6ecb8a867"},{"id":"q70081a6f596a653479ca","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-09T12:16:33.685Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70081a6f596a653479ca"},{"id":"q15d0c754e86d42b9cba8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-09T12:16:54.055Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15d0c754e86d42b9cba8"},{"id":"q535b2b9d789d3e426374","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-09T12:38:40.599Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q535b2b9d789d3e426374"},{"id":"qc00b0fa94afdc2a21fe7","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-09T12:40:12.616Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc00b0fa94afdc2a21fe7"},{"id":"qd6cd4fe07843b4d351f4","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-09T12:41:25.123Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6cd4fe07843b4d351f4"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb18fd205853cbe369c83","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-09T10:01:28.602Z","text":"这个地方，可以看出，法官定义的受害者是：受到伤害，且这种伤害是犯罪者的可预见后果。按照这个标准，目前为止还没有一个投资者被证明符合这种标准。受到伤害，空口无凭，得拿出证据来，只有那些主动报案或者主动去登记受害者，且证明了自己损失的人才符合，关键是第二项，是犯罪者的可预见后果，只要犯罪者不认罪，就不算，王雁平只承认gtv部分，gtv已经无罪了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb18fd205853cbe369c83"}}