{"id":"qb4055dd40ac53642f6f5","batch_id":"batch-000016","seq":860,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:07:58.888Z","text":"我们只需要赌两件事： 1: 初始受害人 90%以上都是债权人 2: 如七哥说 luc确实是先接受的拱卒这个虚假债权人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe4028c3ed03c037d9d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4055dd40ac53642f6f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe4028c3ed03c037d9d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000016","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000016","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4055dd40ac53642f6f5","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4055dd40ac53642f6f5/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb4055dd40ac53642f6f5","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q70c19499a191c741eac6","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:02:50.336Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70c19499a191c741eac6"},{"id":"q12b2a0423b03fd78607b","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:03:09.327Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12b2a0423b03fd78607b"},{"id":"qbe4028c3ed03c037d9d7","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:06:17.683Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe4028c3ed03c037d9d7"},{"id":"q7dcb3dad5fc4e182900a","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-19T09:08:00.746Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dcb3dad5fc4e182900a"},{"id":"qa00ad15ae766c0264a73","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:08:03.817Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa00ad15ae766c0264a73"},{"id":"qe341ffe9172f0db57102","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:08:06.796Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe341ffe9172f0db57102"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qbe4028c3ed03c037d9d7","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-19T09:06:17.683Z","text":"假设一个场景： 郭文贵案 检方初始抓人的受害人 只有依靠债权人登记，因为债权人和g系列大量重叠 检方所以把债权人当受害人。 然后，债权人又被托雷斯的法庭命令判为干扰司法，还有，债权人登记是联盟农场局操作，联盟农场在被托雷斯法庭文件里面定义为犯罪工具。最后，郭文贵被捕前 曾经有暗示 luc最初接受了虚假索赔，而检方看了这个视频却把这个事情不知原因的掐头去尾，在其他法律文件里面应用，导致检方遗漏了可以纠察债权人不合法的证据。 这个情况下 检方的行为是不是毒树之果","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe4028c3ed03c037d9d7"}}