{"id":"qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":5,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:01:31.639Z","text":"所以如果你问：\n\n“在正式产权、银行签字、账户操作和技术系统这些最直接的control指标上，HEX/Hamilton是不是更多指向Je？”\n\n答案是：是，而且证据很强。\n\n但我不会说成：\n\n“HEX和Hamilton全部、绝对、排他地都只属于Je，郭完全没有任何控制。”\n\n因为政府会主张郭通过Je存在间接/最终控制，并拿出郭参与重大资金路线、宣传H Coin、特定资金用途等证据。现在真正的法律争议不是Je有没有直接控制——这点越来越清楚；而是：\n\nJe的直接所有权/签字权/操作权，能不能因为郭是整体Boss，就全部进一步归成郭个人的control。\n\n这正是858最薄弱的地方之一。\n\n一句话总结：\n\nHEX和Hamilton的“直接金融控制人”目前记录最强地指向Je；郭更多是政府主张的战略/最终影响者。直接控制和最终影响不是同一个法律概念。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3407cb575211275e8e83","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T19:19:34.596Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3407cb575211275e8e83"},{"id":"q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-27T19:40:11.487Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011"},{"id":"qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:00:27.978Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1"},{"id":"qf8b5bd39d5760a423b2b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:35:20.531Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8b5bd39d5760a423b2b"},{"id":"qdb5dcaafc1f88fd314ac","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:35:23.318Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb5dcaafc1f88fd314ac"},{"id":"q188c32bf5468ff52ecb1","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-27T21:34:15.304Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q188c32bf5468ff52ecb1"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-27T19:40:11.487Z","text":"就是说喜交所和汉密尔顿都是于是最终所有权，签字权和控制权人？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011"}}