{"id":"qb5d946a76e5990dd4b4f","batch_id":"batch-000152","seq":249,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-27T04:47:05.919Z","text":"［用户 roy***］  那看看最近那个破产案文件是否否认了alter ego","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q3dd0e152bf3e323ae3cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d946a76e5990dd4b4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dd0e152bf3e323ae3cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152/pages/2","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d946a76e5990dd4b4f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d946a76e5990dd4b4f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb5d946a76e5990dd4b4f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q2d739337ad71526d7e30","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-27T04:42:43.820Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d739337ad71526d7e30"},{"id":"q33d50e24fa5a8bf762e2","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-27T04:44:45.965Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d50e24fa5a8bf762e2"},{"id":"q3dd0e152bf3e323ae3cd","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T04:46:01.478Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dd0e152bf3e323ae3cd"},{"id":"q7675171500a2406918f5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T04:47:05.932Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7675171500a2406918f5"},{"id":"q46f5ce04f7dae2045362","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T04:47:17.335Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46f5ce04f7dae2045362"},{"id":"q1d184d281d76f611d414","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T04:47:53.880Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d184d281d76f611d414"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q3dd0e152bf3e323ae3cd","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T04:46:01.478Z","text":"所以你的直觉我会这样压成一句最准确的话：\n\n普通G Club会员向Luc提出“保护性债权”并不自动承认alter ego；但如果领取或主张分配的法律基础明确建立在“G Club/ACA资产就是郭的alter-ego estate property”之上，而没有保留独立产权/第三方权利，那么确实会产生严重的立场冲突，并可能被Luc或政府用来反驳其以后否认alter ego的主张。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dd0e152bf3e323ae3cd"}}