{"id":"qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":192,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:46.321Z","text":"所以我给Robert这段话做个简洁判断：\n\n* “王最终没收只有几百万”——不准确。 王的money judgment是$1.4b；具体资产金额是另一回事。\n* “于建民不来美国，不能直接缺席审判定罪”——基本正确。 Rule 43支持这个方向。\n* “所以必须另找一个人来背，否则GTV必须从郭final forfeiture去掉”——不成立。\n* 真正有价值的问题是：每一个仍保留的GTV-related specific asset，政府能否单独证明它和郭本人现存有罪counts之间的forfeiture nexus。\n\n我觉得你们现在不要再争“必须抓谁来背”了。直接把Supplemental POF里面每个GTV相关账户逐个拆开，问它对应郭哪个有罪count、对应什么资金链、法院有没有具体nexus finding。\n\n这条比Robert现在这套“必须抓一个人”强得多，也更适合二巡。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb5dc8bda42fda1497bb8","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qcfe797ec678742d8b61b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:01:31.960Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe797ec678742d8b61b"},{"id":"q558560fc75095135b9ad","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:04.472Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558560fc75095135b9ad"},{"id":"q791fde4d3ff4e88f8471","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:02:09.719Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q791fde4d3ff4e88f8471"},{"id":"qe59c53c5607ab456dae7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:05:58.623Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe59c53c5607ab456dae7"},{"id":"qb11c5759cbcb80f045c3","speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-08-25T09:06:05.360Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb11c5759cbcb80f045c3"},{"id":"q58d641fd23c753b25148","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:08:41.174Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d641fd23c753b25148"}],"parent_message":null}