{"id":"qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":198,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:07.299Z","text":"对，这次你把 Dkt. 859原件给我以后，可以把前面几个争议彻底钉死了。Robert关于“858和859不是一回事”的纠正是对的。\n\n859到底是什么\n\n859标题就是：\n\nSUPPLEMENTAL PRELIMINARY ORDER OF FORFEITURE AS TO ADDITIONAL SPECIFIC PROPERTY/MONEY JUDGMENT\n\n2026年6月30日，Torres签署。\n\n它自己明确回顾：\n\n2025年8月11日，法院已经在Dkt.720作出约13亿美元money judgment，并同时处理certain Specific Property。\n\n然后859做的事情不是重新判郭多少钱，而是：\n\n把后来发现/扣押的5组Additional Specific Property追加进郭的没收程序。\n\n所以：\n\n858 = 把郭的money judgment最终压到约8.89亿美元。\n\n859 = Supplemental Preliminary Order，追加具体财产。\n\n这两个概念以后必须彻底分开。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q58d641fd23c753b25148","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:08:41.174Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d641fd23c753b25148"},{"id":"q20cec6427c7be93980ce","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:09:35.582Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20cec6427c7be93980ce"},{"id":"qc61288edfa3a3b25d949","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:11:47.643Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc61288edfa3a3b25d949"},{"id":"q681458b3479ca061c6ea","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:37.293Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q681458b3479ca061c6ea"},{"id":"q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:46.023Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8"},{"id":"q4742576abb72517d4859","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:17:22.190Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4742576abb72517d4859"}],"parent_message":null}