{"id":"qb6c262c6c76a609737a7","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":737,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-09T12:49:21.526Z","text":"哪个判例你知道吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8a8eb6f881f4a0fd3ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6c262c6c76a609737a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a8eb6f881f4a0fd3ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6c262c6c76a609737a7","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6c262c6c76a609737a7/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb6c262c6c76a609737a7","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3e6157cca6830e52406a","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-09T12:43:59.745Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e6157cca6830e52406a"},{"id":"q7b070aa416212ed6bd89","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-09T12:44:29.692Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b070aa416212ed6bd89"},{"id":"qf8a8eb6f881f4a0fd3ba","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-09T12:48:41.136Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a8eb6f881f4a0fd3ba"},{"id":"q2a67cde1d065fbda0f5e","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-09T12:51:13.577Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a67cde1d065fbda0f5e"},{"id":"q06e71ad845724a0133ef","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-09T12:52:30.351Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06e71ad845724a0133ef"},{"id":"q6e55a646f9fcc8772a0c","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-09T12:53:14.343Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e55a646f9fcc8772a0c"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qf8a8eb6f881f4a0fd3ba","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-09T12:48:41.136Z","text":"有判例支持。法庭程序被严重干扰，在此基础上的陪审团裁决自然无效。你直接欺骗法庭，法官当然可以主动驳回。因为没收程序和量刑程序可以分开进行，所以理论上法官可以在量完型后在处理没收问题。只是那些那些程序不正义虽然不是被告发出来，但已经呈现在法庭上，法官自己会掂量强判的后果。被告律师不接刀，法官应该会继续拖。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a8eb6f881f4a0fd3ba"}}