{"id":"qb71c28edf131c4721a82","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":192,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:56.953Z","text":"两码事。我觉得你这个思路特别自洽，跳出这个框架，直击程序，就可以无视诈骗事实与否；毕竟如果谁研究的本质上是涉及郭案细节方面的问题，那就势必涉及郭诈骗本身真伪，却说自己可以不去研究任何案情具体论证过程，这在基本逻辑上是说不过去的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q987b6805f714b520145d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987b6805f714b520145d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qe4cdd78179b219e21527","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:04:37.139Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4cdd78179b219e21527"},{"id":"qa0c2af69b600d3557495","speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:21.433Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0c2af69b600d3557495"},{"id":"qc0410cb640c40140cc13","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:29.670Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0410cb640c40140cc13"},{"id":"qdcde0ace1590a4ca5456","speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T13:07:38.226Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcde0ace1590a4ca5456"},{"id":"q11b7c856fe9c4cecc96d","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:07:47.125Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b7c856fe9c4cecc96d"},{"id":"q8ef8e322f0d89790410c","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:08:25.778Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ef8e322f0d89790410c"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q987b6805f714b520145d","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:01:49.123Z","text":"［用户 zci***］  你居然同意我的思路 这让我诚惶诚恐啊","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987b6805f714b520145d"}}