{"id":"qb74333989734abc2a9b6","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":775,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:36:38.563Z","text":"无论你是victim还是owner， 都有诉讼资格，就算你的standing悬而未决，你也可以发动议","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74333989734abc2a9b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112/pages/4","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74333989734abc2a9b6","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74333989734abc2a9b6/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qb74333989734abc2a9b6","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q5f0b6775c434651b72b3","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T21:31:28.060Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f0b6775c434651b72b3"},{"id":"qe8dc1518a2fdc755159b","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:34:24.996Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8dc1518a2fdc755159b"},{"id":"q344ee43e1fc58883888b","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-05-19T21:35:08.356Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q344ee43e1fc58883888b"},{"id":"q997f21ecf79bca6bb086","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:36:50.806Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q997f21ecf79bca6bb086"},{"id":"q17988755e50b02b5b88a","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:37:01.949Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17988755e50b02b5b88a"},{"id":"q8a5cf80517453f888faa","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-05-19T21:37:15.174Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a5cf80517453f888faa"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:14.386Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  你们又用cvra 又用853n要钱的人 注意了： 这两种本来是矛盾的 不能既要又要。 但是这个案子，又可以了。 因为： 1: 检方 在二巡打五个受害者，瑞恩 螺丝哥等，说他们不是受害者，是支持者，而这五个人的特点 就是打检方。 所以 检方传递了一个信息： 打检方 就可以获得检方“郭文贵支持者 不是受害者”的标签 2: 之前律师 检方法官 都同意没有mvra restitution 直接remission。 而检方司法欺诈 受害者框架崩溃 loss 崩溃，辩方延期七次 托雷斯自己打脸延期两次号称在检方 辩方量刑文件“复杂悬而未决”的问题。 而控辩双方最纠结的就是受害者 和loss的崩塌。 那么问题来了 你法官都承认受害者的框架 loss 复杂 悬而未决 甚至要打脸延期两月，那么我拿什么来相信你政府remission减免的程序是可靠的？ 所以 受害者赔偿道路已经崩塌 你用853n还给我","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66"}}