{"id":"qbae2f613ea8fc65e1bc7","batch_id":"batch-000021","seq":494,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-31T07:57:21.722Z","text":"就算他真那么想，他也不会鼓动人们虚假索赔，因为这是犯法，最后肯定也得不到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa601e4171d100870bb57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbae2f613ea8fc65e1bc7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa601e4171d100870bb57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000021","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000021","notice":"清洗后的社区讨论原话，按时间分批归档，固定首次采集版本，不随原作者后续编辑或删除更新，不含附件内容。含不同观点、推测与未经核实的主张，不代表本站结论或法院认定。导读仅供定位，请阅读完整发言及回复上下文，并结合一手文书核验。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbae2f613ea8fc65e1bc7","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbae2f613ea8fc65e1bc7/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qbae2f613ea8fc65e1bc7","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4a075d3280059bc7e043","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-31T07:44:51.235Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a075d3280059bc7e043"},{"id":"q5f63c205e8e3eea4466e","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-31T07:46:43.850Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f63c205e8e3eea4466e"},{"id":"q710a348c1777f2d9f1a5","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-31T07:56:44.363Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q710a348c1777f2d9f1a5"},{"id":"q0a40abd1e7b8a1b45d86","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-31T08:00:47.274Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a40abd1e7b8a1b45d86"},{"id":"q97a876e4b296488fd777","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-31T08:01:52.401Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a876e4b296488fd777"},{"id":"qc12c4d4d7469935b2746","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-31T08:02:34.263Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc12c4d4d7469935b2746"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa601e4171d100870bb57","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-31T07:05:38.847Z","text":"因为郭欠债巨大，一旦破产，他彼时所持的各路资产将被各路非诈骗案相关债方追讨，而他清楚彼时的大量资产在法律定义上为诈骗（现已坐实无需讨论），这就延伸了一个问题：即法庭通常考量的是，这部分钱，受害者应优先获得赔偿（通常刑事庭和破产庭会在一定时刻协商运筹这块儿），再以余额补偿其他非诈骗受害债方。 问题是，郭的众多信徒彼时几乎不可能情感上接受郭在诈骗、未来有可能败诉，所以一旦这些“受害者”不去登记，钱被其他债方抢走，郭将永无可能将这部分钱想新的招数回收到自己相关利益方手中。 所以他不得已只能鼓动众人登记，先把钱尽量收到自己人手中，留的青山在，这样未来也许能通过“后自己”时代想些更妥的办法把钱重新弄进自己利益方里，毕竟哪怕自己出不来，给自己的孩子也是好的","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa601e4171d100870bb57"}}