{"id":"qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":947,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:41:30.058Z","text":"托雷斯说的是投资款8.89亿为犯罪所得，之前用流入即犯罪所得是我们假设了只有投资者资金流入，luc的逻辑是，不管是它控制的和花掉的，还是南区已经控制的，只要是被告破产以后的流入，都有可能属于破产财产，也就是债务人本来就有的财产，然后才有所谓和解。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154/pages/5","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc3271c2590e13c9e58ca","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:32:49.861Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3271c2590e13c9e58ca"},{"id":"q9e6538334f59ccb44560","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:35:48.511Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e6538334f59ccb44560"},{"id":"q35d195fc3ddab604b124","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-31T05:39:04.215Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d195fc3ddab604b124"},{"id":"qb2c8ece94449a9d43a2d","speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-31T05:42:42.180Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2c8ece94449a9d43a2d"},{"id":"qc9f70048850d95993f78","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:43:43.975Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9f70048850d95993f78"},{"id":"q8c138ec88ffdb64144c3","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:46:18.411Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c138ec88ffdb64144c3"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9e6538334f59ccb44560","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:35:48.511Z","text":"问题是，luc追的钱，还有gclub郭美郭强公司的，alter ego还没有判，资产归属还不明，就被政府和luc分，这不就是rule32 ［用户 kir***］\n这部分不明归属的资金，和psr里的量刑，是关联的","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e6538334f59ccb44560"}}