{"id":"qbfc0a32aa425b0c6a06e","batch_id":"batch-000100","seq":371,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-04-10T23:03:58.677Z","text":"检方是主张进入G enterprise 的钱就是被骗的钱，且这些钱被实际控制，所以应该全部算作被告造成的实际损失，辩方主张的是，南区检方控制的部分，sec控制的部分，受托人扣押和花掉的部分，真正的诈骗犯转移走的部分，这四部分都不算被告造成的损失，13亿除去这四部分，还剩350万的缺口，只有这部分算被告造成的损失。但这应该是演戏。量刑报告的那不到50个受害者的超过5.5亿的损失是怎么来的？这才是辩方应该去较真的地方，只要较这个真，就会牵出虚假债权。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfc0a32aa425b0c6a06e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000100","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfc0a32aa425b0c6a06e","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfc0a32aa425b0c6a06e/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qbfc0a32aa425b0c6a06e","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa0ed92939193d7f40bd0","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-10T22:32:30.766Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0ed92939193d7f40bd0"},{"id":"q6abd148d6c3c11b8376f","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-10T22:33:01.680Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6abd148d6c3c11b8376f"},{"id":"q336eb95e78e22d2b15e9","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-10T22:40:32.818Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q336eb95e78e22d2b15e9"},{"id":"q5f713beb10eb728134b7","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-10T23:25:42.638Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f713beb10eb728134b7"},{"id":"q9b58a7e43dc1582f1d63","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-04-10T23:36:23.543Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b58a7e43dc1582f1d63"},{"id":"qa6d1dc414884582ee574","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-04-10T23:38:19.767Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6d1dc414884582ee574"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-04-10T22:28:17.314Z","text":"这5.5亿和350万到底哪个是损失金额，如果是350万，为啥等级是顶级？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bf3682fa54c78631f2b"}}