{"id":"qbfed43a6ec64f6ea0243","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":437,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-30T03:44:54.900Z","text":"最开始它们的打算是，所有投资者都被打成普通债权人，然后让它们到luc那里去拿钱，只要程序到了luc那里，那就想怎么玩就怎么玩。如果没有人较真，就会被它们搞成。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q3987cc873725fd16ebf8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfed43a6ec64f6ea0243","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3987cc873725fd16ebf8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfed43a6ec64f6ea0243","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfed43a6ec64f6ea0243/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qbfed43a6ec64f6ea0243","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q7f9b55a713ef0a1f1ec4","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T03:42:22.570Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9b55a713ef0a1f1ec4"},{"id":"qaecc4c1c99d4c9cd7bee","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T03:42:28.571Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaecc4c1c99d4c9cd7bee"},{"id":"qc87d071e3c2d1a9e47af","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T03:44:11.104Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc87d071e3c2d1a9e47af"},{"id":"q0d63e38946b73f2bcb19","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T03:45:02.875Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d63e38946b73f2bcb19"},{"id":"qd8ea8c31f80a5f8e6b21","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T03:46:51.901Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8ea8c31f80a5f8e6b21"},{"id":"q7573565eccd01f12ef0d","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-30T03:48:09.631Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7573565eccd01f12ef0d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q3987cc873725fd16ebf8","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T03:37:07.107Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ ［用户 reb***］ \n郭家族的几个公司，一开始就是被列在488的preliminary order的list\n但是即使到目前，破产案里luc对它们的alter ego诉讼，还没搞定\n我想，这也是final order难产的原因之一","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3987cc873725fd16ebf8"}}