{"id":"qc0eef7a2419a3b4e6956","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":585,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:02:46.265Z","text":"在这份 799 号文件（反对 13 亿美元没收判决的意见书）中，辩方并没有指控或攻击所谓“共同被告/共谋者”存在新的犯罪行为，也没有声称他们策划诈骗。相反，辩方在几个关键点上提到“co-conspirators”或相关人员，主要是为了限制Guo的个人没收责任。核心意思可以概括为以下几点：\n一、强调不能因共谋者行为而对Guo适用连带责任\n辩方大量引用：\nHoneycutt v. United States\nUnited States v. Elias\nUnited States v. Tanner\n核心主张是：\n被告只能对自己“个人实际取得”的犯罪收益负责，\n不能因为共谋者取得了收益，就让Guo承担全部金额。\n也就是说：\n即便存在共谋结构；\n即便他被判有罪；\n也不能对“他未实际取得的资金”进行个人金钱判决。\n这是对政府13亿美元“总盘子”理论的法律拆解。\n二、强调资金由“他人或公司控制”，而非Guo本人\n文件中指出：\n多个账户由其他实体控制；\n银行负责人作证称Guo不是最终受益人；\n政府在对王雁（Yvette Wang）的量刑备忘录中曾称她是“day-to-day boss”。\n这里的策略不是攻击共谋者，而是：\n即便存在共谋网络，资金控制权不在Guo本人。\n目的是切断“个人取得（personally obtained）”这一关键要素。\n三、关于无罪部分（GTV）\n辩方指出：\n陪审团在GTV相关指控上作出无罪裁决；\n政府仍试图把GTV资金算入没收金额；\n这是不允许的。\n这里并未说共谋者操纵什么，而是说：\n即便其他人参与了相关行为，Guo在这些具体指控上被判无罪，\n因此不能基于该行为扩大没收范围。\n四、关于第三方与破产资产\n文件提到：\n第三方可能持有或控制部分资产；\n政府对这些资产享有优先权（relation-back doctrine）；\n若政府未主张，应在Guo的金钱判决中抵扣。\n这部分同样不是指控共谋者，而是强调：\n不应通过让他个人承担金钱判决来“补位”其他资金流向。\n五、总结\n在799号文件中，Guo的律师关于“co-conspirators”的立场非常克制，重点是：\n不允许连带责任扩大个人没收金额；\n只对本人实际取得部分负责；\n不能用共谋结构填补证据不足；\n无罪行为不得计入；\n已回收资金必须抵扣。\n并没有：\n指控共谋者操纵受害人；\n指控共谋者组织虚假申诉；\n指控共谋者制造受害人数；\n指控共谋者与政府串通。\n这份文件的基调是纯粹的没收金额法律技术性反驳，而不是关于共谋结构的政治或事实攻击。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0eef7a2419a3b4e6956","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0eef7a2419a3b4e6956","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0eef7a2419a3b4e6956/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qc0eef7a2419a3b4e6956","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc28ec3458aba9c861fc8","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:02:03.155Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc28ec3458aba9c861fc8"},{"id":"q499fe9777813a00dd211","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-04T06:02:12.197Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q499fe9777813a00dd211"},{"id":"q148212a2c03e426ccb6e","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:02:12.745Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q148212a2c03e426ccb6e"},{"id":"q322b5ceb151798a1b864","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-04T06:04:11.488Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q322b5ceb151798a1b864"},{"id":"qc35203b9beba8e873104","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-04T06:04:46.618Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc35203b9beba8e873104"},{"id":"qf9ae7cdf5d9fd607d3ad","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-04T06:04:56.419Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9ae7cdf5d9fd607d3ad"}],"parent_message":null}