{"id":"qc4a9576b6ba3e9732d48","batch_id":"batch-000153","seq":151,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T10:41:17.689Z","text":"这个原则非常值得拿去对照刑事案：\n\nGXZ26 / PSR / victim loss有没有扣掉这些Farm民事追回款？\n\n这可能是一个新的、非常具体的方向。\n\n现在MOS真正值得继续追的不是“800万是不是254万”\n\n而是三个问题：\n\nMountains of Spices LLC 和 Mountains of Spices Inc.究竟是什么关系？\n有没有同一控制人、同一银行、同一Farm组织，还是完全不同法人？\n813.6万美元后来留在MOS LLC，还是又转去了Inc/Foundation/其他MOS实体？\n刑事案的Farm loss / GXZ26有没有继续把已经通过G-Service/Aeon返还的813.6万算作损失或proceeds？\n\n第三个我认为特别值钱。\n\n因为如果：\n\n刑事案先把原始Farm资金算成诈骗损失\n\n然后\n\n民事法院又确认其中813.6万已经被追回\n\n但\n\nPSR/GXZ26/858没有相应扣减，\n\n那就可能出现真正的：\n\ngross inflow / gross loss ≠ actual uncompensated loss\n\n问题。\n\n所以这轮结论非常简单：\n\n“Luc追的254万就是MOS追回的813.6万”——目前没有证据，暂时不要这么说。\n\n但是：\n\n“813.6万经过民事诉讼后变成退款/追回款，刑事案是否仍把原始金额作为未追回诈骗损失”——这条非常值得继续深挖。\n\n我下一步会优先去核这个，因为比硬把两家MOS公司连成一笔钱更容易出真正结果。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4a9576b6ba3e9732d48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000153","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000153","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4a9576b6ba3e9732d48","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4a9576b6ba3e9732d48/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qc4a9576b6ba3e9732d48","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q5f391d4e412346ad34da","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T10:39:55.565Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f391d4e412346ad34da"},{"id":"qd64ab33cf1bc474d2d73","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T10:39:58.548Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd64ab33cf1bc474d2d73"},{"id":"q57c686e1a5d54f5bd673","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T10:41:15.261Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57c686e1a5d54f5bd673"},{"id":"q9ed11a3fd23f0057f4fa","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T10:42:48.676Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ed11a3fd23f0057f4fa"},{"id":"q9578f1248094130a2964","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T10:42:55.217Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9578f1248094130a2964"},{"id":"q64fb1fc0f14590230d6f","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-27T10:49:06.639Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64fb1fc0f14590230d6f"}],"parent_message":null}