{"id":"qc4f64bc700f87ac0b774","batch_id":"batch-000117","seq":322,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-11T02:31:23.318Z","text":"这个案件的结构就是luc\"通过调查发现”，g系列都是债务人的替代自我，南区检察官办公室“觉得有道理”，既然名义上是投资项目，实际上却是替代自我，那就是诈骗，里面的每一个部分，都符合这个叙事。检方认为luc的主张有道理，才会写入起诉书，说那些投资项目对应的实体和组织都是被告实际拥有和控制。只要说的是司法程序走完之后再分钱，不是马上分，就没有问题。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qc08ad72c41c69afece12","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4f64bc700f87ac0b774","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc08ad72c41c69afece12","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000117/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000117/pages/2","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4f64bc700f87ac0b774","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4f64bc700f87ac0b774/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qc4f64bc700f87ac0b774","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qbf3cc284df3b6e671b76","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-11T02:30:21.987Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf3cc284df3b6e671b76"},{"id":"q799b26b796213afecc90","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-11T02:30:29.636Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q799b26b796213afecc90"},{"id":"q4d34cd01a5d6c6d6678b","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-06-11T02:30:41.756Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d34cd01a5d6c6d6678b"},{"id":"qc028dd7534236f37a6ce","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-11T02:32:12.998Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc028dd7534236f37a6ce"},{"id":"q0a83717f9ef5bde31875","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-11T02:33:09.109Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a83717f9ef5bde31875"},{"id":"q9c49fc9e77180151a472","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-11T02:33:56.538Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c49fc9e77180151a472"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qc08ad72c41c69afece12","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-11T02:23:16.142Z","text":"24年6月，382里检方承认，Mahwah是余买，产权又不是郭家族\n23年8月，alter ego还没有定罪，涉案资产如何处理，是不是没收，还没有定下来\n郭是否alter ego整个G系列，没有判\n检方和破产案luc，针对Mahwah签协议\n这不就是司法欺诈","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc08ad72c41c69afece12"}}