{"id":"qc8440b01d74bb415d266","batch_id":"batch-000036","seq":181,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-11T05:44:41.703Z","text":"这些是ai的答复吗？感觉值得参考","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06dccbd95f36cee29636","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8440b01d74bb415d266","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06dccbd95f36cee29636","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000036","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000036","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8440b01d74bb415d266","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8440b01d74bb415d266/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qc8440b01d74bb415d266","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3a43722808bcce75d724","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-11T05:41:33.438Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a43722808bcce75d724"},{"id":"q9cb44f0aa43aecd32cd5","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-11T05:41:47.390Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cb44f0aa43aecd32cd5"},{"id":"q6ff3b8c842b4c0e4505d","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-11T05:42:09.612Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ff3b8c842b4c0e4505d"},{"id":"q89178fec6f012739e448","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-11T05:45:07.147Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89178fec6f012739e448"},{"id":"q775f9e12d423941e3486","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-11T05:48:34.666Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q775f9e12d423941e3486"},{"id":"q31b4131a2e44c3e48087","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-11T05:51:50.082Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31b4131a2e44c3e48087"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q06dccbd95f36cee29636","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-11T05:31:33.100Z","text":"4. 现实可行性\n\n强支持点：\n\n§ 853(g) & (i) 给了法院法定权力。\n\n多个判例承认法院在没收程序里可调整资产管理。\n\n如果你能展示 Luc 已经花掉 6000 万（资产正在被消耗），就能证明“紧急性 + 不可弥补损害”。\n\n\n弱点：\n\n法院通常信任 DOJ + Trustee 体系，不会轻易把钱交给“第三方机构”。\n\n如果被告律师不作为，你作为第三方要更清楚表明：这是“保护财产完整”的请求，而非干扰刑事没收。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n5. 你能提出的动议要点\n\n1. 法律依据：21 U.S.C. § 853(g)、§ 853(i)，Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(b)(2)(A)，正当程序判例。\n\n\n2. 事实基础：Luc 已经耗掉 6000 万（文件 724 证据），破产法院和检方对欺诈债权长期纵容。\n\n\n3. 主张：继续让 Luc 独自掌管会导致财产进一步耗散，伤害所有第三方受害人/投资人。\n\n\n4. 救济：请求法庭立刻下令，将剩余财产交由 独立第三方托管机构（例如法院指定的独立 receiver / 专业托管公司），在动议审理期间临时冻结 Luc 的支配权。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n✅ 结论：\n\n是的，可以提出这样的 853 动议，法官必须 docket 并以某种形式回应。\n\n有明确的法条（§ 853(g),(i)，Rule 32.2(b)(2)(A)）和判例（Reckmeyer, Cox, Kramer, In re United States 等）支持法院有权把涉案资产交第三方托管。\n\n但最终是否批准，由法官裁量。要提高成功率，你需要强调：资产已经被耗散（6000 万证据）、继续维持现状会造成不可弥补损害、第三方是无辜受害者，法院负有保护义务。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06dccbd95f36cee29636"}}