{"id":"qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516","batch_id":"batch-000149","seq":164,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:55:56.971Z","text":"再往深一点，870和5739实际上在做两种不同类型的“权利固化”。\n\n870的办法是：\n\n先让Pillsbury同意资金subject to forfeiture\n→ 政府承认Pillsbury是BFP\n→ 已付330万美元保住\n→ Pillsbury退出对另外G Club资金的挑战\n→ 甚至承诺不协助别人挑战。 870.pdf\n\n5739的办法则是：\n\nLuc不承认Government法律理论\n→ 双方承认互相有冲突\n→ 不打§853(n)\n→ 直接分成Estate Assets和Forfeiture Assets\n→ 各自承诺不进入对方资产池。 5739.pdf\n\n所以它们虽然法律形式不同，但共同结果都是减少法院以后真正需要裁判的争议。\n\n本来法院可能需要回答：\n\n这笔钱究竟是谁的？\n是不是郭的property？\n是不是fraud proceeds？\nestate有没有superior interest？\n第三方什么时候取得权益？\n\n现在部分问题被替换成：\n\nPillsbury接受条件退出；\nLuc接受资产划界退出。\n\n这就是为什么5746/5754两份异议突然非常重要——它们代表第三种状态：\n\n“我不接受你们两方通过settlement把这件事收掉。”\n\n⸻\n\n还有一个5739内部的 drafting tension，我觉得之前没有充分讲。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc44dfad74b42984a7b2d","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:31:19.891Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc44dfad74b42984a7b2d"},{"id":"qd4bd8188fb0d6bb07af1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:55:12.657Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4bd8188fb0d6bb07af1"},{"id":"q481a7ba6acf59218d8d4","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:55:33.948Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q481a7ba6acf59218d8d4"},{"id":"qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:56:20.529Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef"},{"id":"qdd8f0498a73a1e8a2feb","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:56:39.001Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd8f0498a73a1e8a2feb"},{"id":"q5904d204a5834ac06057","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:57:20.643Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5904d204a5834ac06057"}],"parent_message":null}