{"id":"qd238b095c9facad4d593","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":478,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-15T23:36:47.418Z","text":"定罪定的是郭的罪， 在认定RICO 郭集团的情况下； 现在的问题是， 第三方的钱是郭集团的钱吗？","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qddb8ec8fd97fdfef6318","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd238b095c9facad4d593","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddb8ec8fd97fdfef6318","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd238b095c9facad4d593","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd238b095c9facad4d593/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qd238b095c9facad4d593","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb90e396c8fae893b10e6","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T23:34:25.046Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb90e396c8fae893b10e6"},{"id":"qea43bf306d97d3038081","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-15T23:34:38.346Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea43bf306d97d3038081"},{"id":"q54c350a21b13daba4bad","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-15T23:36:18.326Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54c350a21b13daba4bad"},{"id":"q02aefb95ff21f2ba94fb","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-15T23:37:09.281Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02aefb95ff21f2ba94fb"},{"id":"q8f857f774c036bb0856b","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-15T23:38:25.043Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f857f774c036bb0856b"},{"id":"q9a83a01dcc45502840d6","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-15T23:38:26.648Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a83a01dcc45502840d6"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qddb8ec8fd97fdfef6318","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-06-15T23:28:53.585Z","text":"是说没收和alter ego无关，只是因为定罪了才没收，可是陪审团罪就是因为相信了这些实体都是郭的alter ego","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddb8ec8fd97fdfef6318"}}