{"id":"qd65c4351415e4ed892fc","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":106,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:11:58.363Z","text":"现在我认为“RICO/Jury Instruction”这条线已经升级成一个很完整的问题：\n\nGovernment presented multiple projects and numerous peripheral actors as one integrated criminal enterprise; defense specifically sought a multiple-conspiracies instruction and objected to expansive agency/coconspirator attribution; the Court rejected the multiple-conspiracies instruction while also rejecting the Government's proposed automatic agent attribution. The appellate question is whether the charge as actually given sufficiently protected against jury spillover from separate schemes, actors, and organizational relationships into a finding that Guo personally joined the charged criminal agreements.\n\n中文简单说：\n\n政府把很多项目、很多联盟/Farm/HEX人员打成一个大犯罪集团；辩方明确要求法院提醒jury别把不同共谋混起来；法院没给这个multiple-conspiracies指示。现在二巡真正要看的是：最终charge有没有别的足够保护，避免jury把“组织关联+别人犯罪”直接变成“郭本人参加同一个犯罪协议”。\n\n这条我现在给 ★★★★★。\n\n因为它已经具备：\n\ntrial objection → judge ruling → government closing → RICO attribution → jury verdict\n\n完整链条。\n\n而且它和Tony农场表、383/388、Alliance人员独立行为全部能接起来。\n\n下一轮最值得继续撞的就是：7月12日或15日Torres最终实际对jury读出的RICO/conspiracy charge全文。我要确认最终有没有保留“mere association/knowledge不够”“郭本人必须knowingly participate”这些保护，以及co-conspirator acts到底被怎么解释。如果那部分保护弱，multiple-conspiracies拒绝的重要性会进一步上升；如果保护很强，我们也要承认政府会用它主张任何错误都被charge治愈。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd65c4351415e4ed892fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd65c4351415e4ed892fc","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd65c4351415e4ed892fc/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qd65c4351415e4ed892fc","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qcf1de6786005238ea91a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:06:34.544Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf1de6786005238ea91a"},{"id":"qa3a28669699238a193d6","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:07:20.774Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a28669699238a193d6"},{"id":"q2f83c10399cd16baade0","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:08:14.666Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f83c10399cd16baade0"},{"id":"qcd1081ffe2c93ac6f1a4","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:16:37.412Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd1081ffe2c93ac6f1a4"},{"id":"qb2d88bd6472adf9ec982","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:24:17.609Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d88bd6472adf9ec982"},{"id":"q5ae3dc5069115a249c28","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:32:06.660Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ae3dc5069115a249c28"}],"parent_message":null}