{"id":"qd8761fc3535baa69f5a3","batch_id":"batch-000146","seq":399,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-17T15:09:56.422Z","text":"我理解“打到终局”不是单纯指换法官或者喊废量刑，而是把前面的程序问题、证据问题一直推进到 sentence / forfeiture / final judgment 这一层，逼法院和政府正式回答：这些问题到底影不影响终局结果。\n\n“牌都出完”这个比喻我认同，就是把各方立场都固定进 record，后面谁前后矛盾、谁需要切割，就会越来越清楚。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qe55436d1c96e9de757e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8761fc3535baa69f5a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe55436d1c96e9de757e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000146/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000146/pages/2","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8761fc3535baa69f5a3","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8761fc3535baa69f5a3/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qd8761fc3535baa69f5a3","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb811368ce86e4f3a4032","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-17T14:40:40.656Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb811368ce86e4f3a4032"},{"id":"q9d7a70645429a6f5de5f","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-17T14:52:30.458Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d7a70645429a6f5de5f"},{"id":"q1998b0f6e1a83b1388f1","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-17T15:06:59.386Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1998b0f6e1a83b1388f1"},{"id":"qc75b971da747ddf3500f","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-17T16:00:42.095Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc75b971da747ddf3500f"},{"id":"q6976a63ac4ebd9489af3","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-17T16:02:29.713Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6976a63ac4ebd9489af3"},{"id":"qecef1f874a88c25aa797","speaker":"wan***","date":"2026-08-17T16:08:48.785Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecef1f874a88c25aa797"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qe55436d1c96e9de757e3","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-17T14:24:55.670Z","text":"什么是“打到终局”的动议？指的是作废量刑、换法官吗？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe55436d1c96e9de757e3"}}