{"id":"qd8f807cd9def2069c89a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":872,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-22T17:02:44.172Z","text":"我投资了GTV, 能不能申请 853n 呢？但是GTV 没罪啊，我的GTV投资的钱怎么办？我觉得最好的办法就是等文贵出来。对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ecea0eee7d9f4623af8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f807cd9def2069c89a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ecea0eee7d9f4623af8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f807cd9def2069c89a","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f807cd9def2069c89a/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qd8f807cd9def2069c89a","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q6c19bed1d8da0f9ef5bb","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-22T16:50:24.270Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c19bed1d8da0f9ef5bb"},{"id":"qabaac64ea80678ae7dd4","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-22T16:51:59.144Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabaac64ea80678ae7dd4"},{"id":"q85943812bc183a41aef5","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-22T16:53:19.609Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85943812bc183a41aef5"},{"id":"q16cea8a85658e6dbfbc4","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-22T17:25:38.964Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16cea8a85658e6dbfbc4"},{"id":"qc562430feade79c43164","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-22T17:27:00.750Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc562430feade79c43164"},{"id":"q9608d9fa82c901ebe2b5","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-22T17:27:36.434Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9608d9fa82c901ebe2b5"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q1ecea0eee7d9f4623af8","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-22T16:37:24.091Z","text":"引用《美国法典》第21编第853(n)条是否意味着承认被告有罪？\n\n不，引用或依据《21 U.S.C. § 853(n)》（即美国联邦刑事财产没收法的一部分） 并不意味着你承认被告做错了什么。\n\n原因如下：\n\n第853(n)条 是专门允许第三方（如配偶、生意伙伴、抵押权人等）在政府试图通过刑事没收来没收某项财产时，主张自己对该财产拥有合法权益的条款。该条款的目的是保护无辜的财产所有人或其他合法权利人。\n\n当你依据 § 853(n) 提交申请时，你实际上是在说：\n\n> “我对这项财产拥有合法权益，即使被告被定罪或认罪，政府也无权没收它。”\n\n\n\n你并未就被告是否有罪发表任何意见。事实上，该法条正是为在法院已经初步认定某项财产应被没收之后，让第三方主张权利而设立的。\n\n\n---\n\n重点总结：\n\n853(n)申请通常是在法院作出初步没收裁定之后提出的；\n\n第三方是在说：“这不是（完全）属于被告的财产，或者我在犯罪发生前就已经拥有权益”；\n\n法院不会将提交853(n)申请解读为第三方或被告的认罪行为。\n\n\n\n---\n\n结论：\n\n引用或依据《21 U.S.C. § 853(n)》是为了保护你对某项财产的合法权益，它并不代表你承认任何过错，也不代表被告有罪。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ecea0eee7d9f4623af8"}}