{"id":"qd9c0539216ff1b76e990","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":697,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-28T04:53:44.622Z","text":"先有没收，才会有853n或者853i","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q862aac273d32893eae5e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9c0539216ff1b76e990","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q862aac273d32893eae5e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9c0539216ff1b76e990","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9c0539216ff1b76e990/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qd9c0539216ff1b76e990","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf3efbbf8439ce999ca32","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T04:49:26.373Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3efbbf8439ce999ca32"},{"id":"qcc3a8b53fdf4989b5220","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T04:49:40.992Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc3a8b53fdf4989b5220"},{"id":"q80bf0dee565d51cc758e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T04:53:08.665Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80bf0dee565d51cc758e"},{"id":"q50676e834867b206d4a8","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-28T04:54:00.933Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50676e834867b206d4a8"},{"id":"qcce36248d6ee369f6fd3","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T04:54:33.554Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcce36248d6ee369f6fd3"},{"id":"qcab16b30e3329b7bb149","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-28T04:54:46.144Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcab16b30e3329b7bb149"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q862aac273d32893eae5e","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-28T04:42:55.898Z","text":"853n 必须在犯罪财产数额定了以前裁决： 因为200-400 多人说， 那个钱是我的， 889m 不是郭案的犯罪所得","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q862aac273d32893eae5e"}}