{"id":"qdc20bc2408bf473431ba","batch_id":"batch-000081","seq":845,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-02-22T12:15:56.537Z","text":"364的一个relief就是要求luc必须出庭\n看二巡咋处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a5d32fd5b6bd1eb425c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc20bc2408bf473431ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a5d32fd5b6bd1eb425c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000081","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc20bc2408bf473431ba","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc20bc2408bf473431ba/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qdc20bc2408bf473431ba","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q58412135ea2c288bdb02","speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T12:11:39.424Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58412135ea2c288bdb02"},{"id":"q5ae81ee16c2f81cbe9c9","speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T12:11:48.380Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ae81ee16c2f81cbe9c9"},{"id":"qc9c47b71b6f05463b802","speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-02-22T12:11:53.550Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c47b71b6f05463b802"},{"id":"q09744d54da485095baed","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-22T12:28:45.706Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09744d54da485095baed"},{"id":"q3064b3e5a0cf34ed11ca","speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-02-22T12:49:52.792Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3064b3e5a0cf34ed11ca"},{"id":"qe70f3aa1e4395781b24f","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-02-22T12:52:18.300Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe70f3aa1e4395781b24f"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0a5d32fd5b6bd1eb425c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-22T11:44:37.533Z","text":"正常的诈骗案叙事里，检方是按照诈骗三要素去证明欺诈：虚假陈述，诈骗意图，实质性。本案中，检方一直忽悠的是是：g系列所有资产属于郭，全部都属于，只是没有用标准的法律术语，因为那样说是虚假陈述；然后g系列实体是rico犯罪企业。它们一直在误导陪审团相信所有g系列属于被告，并且成功做到了，核心原因是辩方没有传唤luc。g系列是否属于被告，luc最它妈清楚。估计破产和刑事法院用的那些所谓调查基本都是一套资料。翻案的核心是那些资产到底是否属于被告，拱卒和朱莉娅的债权，是它们虚假叙事的根基。其它诈骗案，资产不属于被告，不影响叙事。但本案，是在用资产为何属于被告来证明被告为何在诈骗。所以没收令一定是和案件一起被推翻。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a5d32fd5b6bd1eb425c"}}