{"id":"qdc45b8bc880101fb8fad","batch_id":"batch-000116","seq":773,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-09T13:45:26.277Z","text":"法庭的意思是813万超过了判给它的455万，因此魏不再有义务赔钱给夏。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ae1786520340bf5100b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc45b8bc880101fb8fad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ae1786520340bf5100b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000116","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000116","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc45b8bc880101fb8fad","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc45b8bc880101fb8fad/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qdc45b8bc880101fb8fad","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qfcf26b99bcc3c81eac52","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-09T07:31:08.192Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcf26b99bcc3c81eac52"},{"id":"q72d98d59ef227fe81365","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-06-09T10:24:05.964Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72d98d59ef227fe81365"},{"id":"q4ae1786520340bf5100b","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-09T13:38:54.502Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ae1786520340bf5100b"},{"id":"qd055cfa82729f6183515","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-09T13:47:01.308Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd055cfa82729f6183515"},{"id":"q9fcb2066189084c5cf2e","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-09T13:50:53.845Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fcb2066189084c5cf2e"},{"id":"q3890e8d7592674768f74","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-09T13:52:01.143Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3890e8d7592674768f74"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q4ae1786520340bf5100b","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-06-09T13:38:54.502Z","text":"刚刚看完Arizona \n法庭文件， 总结一下看看我的理解对不对：\n在2021年，香草山（夏凄东控制的一个人的责任有限公司）MOS（Mountains of Spice)告魏立红/9指妖， 魏修竹，彭简，陈奇深和王建军和Maywind （战友们转钱到的公司；九指控制的）\n\n因为MOS是夏名下的一个有限责任公司/只有一个人的公司。（Doc157，P11，line25）， 法庭认为夏代表不了其他第三方投资人，因为夏没有给法庭名单说明这些投资人都是谁。所以法庭法令说那些委托夏向9指要钱，不在这个这个诉讼当中。夏没有提供战友们给9指汇款的账本，法庭还要求夏提供。法庭多次要求夏提供详细的入账财务记录，但是夏没有提供。\n\n9指控制的公司：G-Service， Aeon，Six Pines, \nMaywind.\n战友们的钱汇给了Maywind, Maywind 又把钱汇给了G-Servce 和 Aeon。G- Service 和Aeon的钱来自Maywind（战友）。\n\n夏控制的香草山MOS共给Maywind转了$4,050,000 美元。\n但是夏从其他两个法庭拿到了$8,136,288.58) -也是9指控制的钱:\n$3,508,872.00(G-Service)\n$4,630,416.58(Aeon)\n没有证据显示夏给魏立红公司或者个人转款，所以他，夏收到的钱100%是Maywind （战友们）的钱。法庭表示法庭不清楚夏是如何拿到双份的钱的（double recovery). \n但是法庭判9指输： 给香草山夏$4,550,000. \n\n9指承认Maywind 分别在2020年8月及2020年10月给ACA Capital 汇了6百万+7百万，共1千3百万。\n\n法庭文件157第8页第18行， 法庭认为夏和9指都没有透明的说出：钱的来源，用途，钱最终到了哪里。\n\n我不明白的是： 夏是不是从9指那里共拿了：$8,136,288.58+ $4,550,000= $12,686,288.60???","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ae1786520340bf5100b"}}