{"id":"qdd98c77309d40e71f9f3","batch_id":"batch-000087","seq":600,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-06T14:18:46.372Z","text":"对\n先有鸡再有蛋的游戏\n被玩了无数次","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c342f0775094397f0fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd98c77309d40e71f9f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c342f0775094397f0fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000087/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000087/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd98c77309d40e71f9f3","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd98c77309d40e71f9f3/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qdd98c77309d40e71f9f3","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf077d9541980ff1c355d","speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-03-06T13:45:12.094Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf077d9541980ff1c355d"},{"id":"q4c342f0775094397f0fc","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T14:01:32.526Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c342f0775094397f0fc"},{"id":"q6027a6e1d6893f169b2f","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-03-06T14:04:22.718Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6027a6e1d6893f169b2f"},{"id":"q54d65651e95e3605fb6d","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T14:22:46.619Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54d65651e95e3605fb6d"},{"id":"qbdb90324352789ded4dd","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-06T14:25:37.304Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdb90324352789ded4dd"},{"id":"q2a7bc6c4b48fa186f252","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-06T14:26:31.114Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a7bc6c4b48fa186f252"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q4c342f0775094397f0fc","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T14:01:32.526Z","text":"所以再把上面的总结一下：\n\n刑事案的alter ego 是从破产案顺延的；破产案rico，又从刑事案顺延来的。Alter ego在破产案成立,但民事Rico Luc要取得资格 必须要借助刑事案；刑事案Rico到郭，又必须借助破产案的alter ego。王认罪 》G enterprise包含的几个实体有罪  》破产案的alter ego 郭有罪/Rico\n\n王认的是GTV的罪；GTV被陪审团判无罪； 所以alter ego 没有了， RICO 刑事 破产案 都没有了\n\n对不对","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c342f0775094397f0fc"}}