{"id":"qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","batch_id":"batch-000118","seq":58,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:46:33.825Z","text":"那就直接打没收的合理性\n没收源自王案，因为Tony，资金混同的问题还没解决呢","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000118","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qde3d55d6e715d5b5c545","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4404656685327cec7ba2","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-12T14:45:11.734Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4404656685327cec7ba2"},{"id":"qc804a4db89b788d60c36","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:45:38.801Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc804a4db89b788d60c36"},{"id":"qe656916707b544a7e946","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:45:53.312Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe656916707b544a7e946"},{"id":"qd360472a7ee870a56e6d","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:47:07.890Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd360472a7ee870a56e6d"},{"id":"q24f5249169cf9869c934","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-06-12T14:47:26.367Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24f5249169cf9869c934"},{"id":"q1b740c7ba8059b318293","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-12T14:47:37.431Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b740c7ba8059b318293"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-06-12T14:43:26.064Z","text":"金钱判决和没收分开进行，不符合本案的实际。所有权裁定的结果不同，金钱判决会不同，所以金钱判决一定要在所有权裁决以后进行。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e0afdd16317e6a86c7c"}}