{"id":"qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","batch_id":"batch-000112","seq":769,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:14.386Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  你们又用cvra 又用853n要钱的人 注意了： 这两种本来是矛盾的 不能既要又要。 但是这个案子，又可以了。 因为： 1: 检方 在二巡打五个受害者，瑞恩 螺丝哥等，说他们不是受害者，是支持者，而这五个人的特点 就是打检方。 所以 检方传递了一个信息： 打检方 就可以获得检方“郭文贵支持者 不是受害者”的标签 2: 之前律师 检方法官 都同意没有mvra restitution 直接remission。 而检方司法欺诈 受害者框架崩溃 loss 崩溃，辩方延期七次 托雷斯自己打脸延期两次号称在检方 辩方量刑文件“复杂悬而未决”的问题。 而控辩双方最纠结的就是受害者 和loss的崩塌。 那么问题来了 你法官都承认受害者的框架 loss 复杂 悬而未决 甚至要打脸延期两月，那么我拿什么来相信你政府remission减免的程序是可靠的？ 所以 受害者赔偿道路已经崩塌 你用853n还给我","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000112/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qde5d02c8961b2d03ee66","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q556760df1c8f19af85ec","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T19:09:07.239Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q556760df1c8f19af85ec"},{"id":"q2801c270a9a01ba312aa","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T20:11:50.394Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2801c270a9a01ba312aa"},{"id":"q9b6ea5536e94412033c2","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-05-19T20:15:32.292Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b6ea5536e94412033c2"},{"id":"q40a0c6c0011e2c77cc70","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:28.536Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a0c6c0011e2c77cc70"},{"id":"q258cbba5ccdca8e01bc4","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-19T21:23:33.360Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q258cbba5ccdca8e01bc4"},{"id":"q5f0b6775c434651b72b3","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-05-19T21:31:28.060Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f0b6775c434651b72b3"}],"parent_message":null}