{"id":"qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":211,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:37:48.028Z","text":"Qodty真正问的第二个问题更有意思\n\n他说：\n\n郭后来量刑以后，王的money judgment是不是也应该公告修正？\n\n不能仅仅因为郭从13亿后来降到8.89亿，就自动要求王的money judgment同步降。\n\n因为两人的forfeiture judgment法律基础并不完全相同。\n\n郭后来858减掉约$411m GTV，核心是针对郭自己的money judgment重新计算。\n\n王是通过自己的guilty plea / consent forfeiture进入另一套judgment。\n\n所以必须检查：\n\n王自己的forfeiture order究竟把GTV $411m放在哪一部分；\n\n她的money judgment到底是多少；\n\n哪些是Count 3 joint liability；\n\n哪些是她自己单独承担；\n\n858对郭作出的GTV deduction是否触发王那边任何credit/setoff。\n\n不能仅凭郭858就说王必须自动修改。\n\n⸻\n\n但这里有一个非常值得深挖的新问题\n\n如果王的所谓14亿中包含：\n\nGTV $411m\n\n而SEC已经通过disgorgement处理这$411m；\n\n同时858又因为这个理由明确给郭扣掉$411m；\n\n那么：\n\n王的forfeiture judgment有没有也对同一$411m给予credit？\n\n这才是截图里真正值得问的问题。\n\n因为问题不再是：\n\n“郭无罪，所以王也要减。”\n\n而是：\n\n美国政府能不能在SEC已经取得/处理同一GTV $411m以后，又让Wang的criminal forfeiture money judgment继续完整包含同一笔$411m而没有credit？\n\n这涉及的是：\n\ndouble recovery / credit / satisfaction of forfeiture judgment\n\n而不是郭的acquittal直接约束王。\n\n这条我认为非常值得继续挖。\n\n⸻\n\n还有一个691里非常重要、与你们第三方维权直接相关的事实\n\n691明确告诉Torres：\n\n截至2025年4月，至少102个第三方已经对王Forfeiture Order里的大部分Subject Properties提出产权claim。\n\n而且Trustee也告诉政府：\n\n他也claim an interest in the Subject Properties。\n\n所以早在2025年4月，政府就完全知道：\n\n这些Specific Property存在大规模第三方ownership disputes。\n\n然后政府自己要求：\n\n先别判第三方；\n\n等郭的POF出来；\n\n再统一处理。\n\n这对我们现在5739 Global Settlement那条线其实非常重要。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151/pages/2","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qdf063b1d43c2a7412c0c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q35beea45d1f463a00126","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:36:47.645Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35beea45d1f463a00126"},{"id":"qe79eb4fa49ae63919563","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:37:18.003Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe79eb4fa49ae63919563"},{"id":"q6b7bf2e5ee0832861e45","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:37:31.675Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b7bf2e5ee0832861e45"},{"id":"qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:38:09.066Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0d12cf7149b008aed4c"},{"id":"q2c6d2d62a6f026267470","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:40:31.631Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c6d2d62a6f026267470"},{"id":"q680a42e07a6989ba5237","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:44:05.900Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q680a42e07a6989ba5237"}],"parent_message":null}