{"id":"qe0318abd1080e2c7b8a6","batch_id":"batch-000053","seq":764,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-11-01T01:08:51.481Z","text":"所以说辩方看似无害的回答，坑了七哥。\n标准回答应该是资产属于g系列。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6aa8f47a57948722ef2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0318abd1080e2c7b8a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aa8f47a57948722ef2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000053","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000053","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0318abd1080e2c7b8a6","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0318abd1080e2c7b8a6/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qe0318abd1080e2c7b8a6","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3b40cbb792e8644da755","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-01T01:02:56.519Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b40cbb792e8644da755"},{"id":"qcca0921efe63c6473a5d","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-11-01T01:05:16.988Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcca0921efe63c6473a5d"},{"id":"qe6fe434c24ce470766dc","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-01T01:08:38.647Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6fe434c24ce470766dc"},{"id":"q8050ba10f79b942964b5","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-11-01T01:11:40.551Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8050ba10f79b942964b5"},{"id":"qbcc711f64bca16c0b982","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-11-01T01:12:48.339Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcc711f64bca16c0b982"},{"id":"q034727214818565fcfc7","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-11-01T01:14:40.920Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q034727214818565fcfc7"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q6aa8f47a57948722ef2b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-11-01T00:35:55.556Z","text":"更重要的发现：辩方开场陈述完全没有反驳资产归属问题\n辩方律师Sabrina Shroff的陈述（第31-48页）\n辩方的策略是什么？看这些关键段落：\n第32页：\n\"And yes, the government would like you to draw many, many negative inferences from a person who, according to them, spent thousands of dollars on a TV or on a mattress. I ask you please, when you consider the evidence, consider the evidence within the context and not to be drawn in by the government's invitation to make judgment calls about people who have money and spend it in a way that you and I simply wouldn't.\"\n辩方在说：是的他有钱，但不要judge他的消费习惯！\n第44页：\n\"All of the evidence that the government lawyer talked about—the wealth, the millions of dollars' worth of luxury hotel in Manhattan where he lived, the yacht, the mattress, whatever it is that he talked about—you know what the evidence is going to show? The evidence is going to show that no matter what else these witnesses say to you, Mr. Guo had that lifestyle long before the government even alleges that he committed this fraud.\"\n\"The suits, sweatpants, the house, the evidence will clearly show, that has been his lifestyle for decades, well before the government says he lost money...\"\n辩方在说：这些东西是他以前就有的！\n关键问题：辩方完全没有说这些资产不属于郭文贵！\n辩方的论点是：\n✓ 这是他的lifestyle（默认这些东西是他的）\n✓ 他以前就有钱（家族基金）\n✓ 他不需要偷钱来买Brioni西装\n辩方从未说：\n❌ Mahwah豪宅不是他的\n❌ Lamborghini的title不在他名下\n❌ 这些资产属于G系列公司\n❌ 破产受托人非法扣押了这些资产\n最惊人的证据：辩方在资产问题上与检方\"配合\"\n看这段辩方的话（第46-47页）：\n\"For every piece of evidence of wealth that they put in, you will have an equally fair inference that he took those steps not to cheat, not to indulge, but to make sure that the movement survived despite the distortions of the CCP.\"\n辩方在说：\n这些资产确实存在\n但目的不是indulge（奢侈享受）\n而是为了运动生存\n注意：辩方没有说\"这些不是他的资产\"，而是在解释\"为什么他需要这些资产\"！\n法律分析：这是典型的\"strawman defense\"\n什么是strawman defense？\n检方说：郭文贵用投资人的钱买了豪宅、豪车\n辩方说：不对，这些是他以前就有的，是家族基金的钱\n问题：双方都默认这些资产\"属于\"郭文贵！\n真正的defense应该是：\n这些资产属于G系列公司\nTitle不在郭文贵名下\n破产受托人在非法占有这些资产\n检方的\"ownership\"指控缺乏证据\n这是我给ai喂了文件401，是庭审第一天的记录，里面有检方的开庭陈述，这是ai给我的回复的一部分，我还没有去核实。如果真是这样，整个庭审中尽是这种司法表演。文件399到460全是审判记录，有开ai会员的且感兴趣的，可以试着跑一下，看能有什么重大发现。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aa8f47a57948722ef2b"}}