{"id":"qe095499e18d1ab2a1a52","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":92,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T06:08:35.848Z","text":"第三种其实有一个悖论，当律师可以这么说，证明还不够cronic，如果足够ronic，就没有律师可以有效辩护，包括有效上诉。只能被告自己自诉，理由就是cronic ，所以自诉。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfcbd5842980658f6879","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe095499e18d1ab2a1a52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfcbd5842980658f6879","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe095499e18d1ab2a1a52","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe095499e18d1ab2a1a52/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qe095499e18d1ab2a1a52","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qbe1306c70c8bc57eef68","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:04:34.590Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe1306c70c8bc57eef68"},{"id":"q5919fa408b2dbace02bd","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T06:04:41.546Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5919fa408b2dbace02bd"},{"id":"qbfcbd5842980658f6879","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:05:16.715Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfcbd5842980658f6879"},{"id":"qd489f80e89ee2e4f1217","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:11:05.017Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd489f80e89ee2e4f1217"},{"id":"q62bc20ddbc56c032c114","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T06:12:20.327Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62bc20ddbc56c032c114"},{"id":"q7181b816d760c749461f","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:15:30.660Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7181b816d760c749461f"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qbfcbd5842980658f6879","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:05:16.715Z","text":"确切的说 第三方可以指控第二种 律师可以出来说 是第三种","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfcbd5842980658f6879"}}