{"id":"qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":113,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:41:23.246Z","text":"我现在反而认为，GTV无罪最值得深挖的是这三件事：\n\n1. 政府后来有没有在716、833、858等文件里，把GTV资金继续统称为“fraud proceeds”，并声称是“jury verdict”证明的。\n2. 858最终8.89亿美元没收计算里，GTV到底占多少；如果包含GTV，法院依据的是RICO/共谋、独立preponderance finding，还是错误地依赖了实体GTV fraud verdict。\n3. GTV投资人自己的钱如果被扣押，能不能利用GTV acquittal + 独立产权 + tracing不足，主张政府对具体财产缺乏法定nexus。\n\n如果这三条里能找到政府把“GTV Counts 5/6无罪”在后续程序里重新包装成“已经证明的GTV诈骗所得”，那就不只是对26-1853有帮助，对未来要求返还财产、挑战没收，甚至某些条件下研究针对政府的赔偿理论都会更有价值。\n\n所以答案是：有积极影响，而且值得深挖；但最现实的第一步不是直接索赔美国政府，而是先用GTV无罪攻击后续“fraud proceeds / forfeiture nexus”的扩大化。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q168f5da4d219846f2c51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q168f5da4d219846f2c51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T04:33:16.461Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1"},{"id":"q8ebec6bf365a517ddf47","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:34:18.318Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ebec6bf365a517ddf47"},{"id":"q168f5da4d219846f2c51","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T04:39:39.155Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q168f5da4d219846f2c51"},{"id":"q88f2e0f93136514e52f0","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T04:43:02.610Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88f2e0f93136514e52f0"},{"id":"q563fee3e16b8e821b8f8","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T04:43:23.804Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q563fee3e16b8e821b8f8"},{"id":"qb379676f69e3355f7b50","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:44:23.424Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb379676f69e3355f7b50"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q168f5da4d219846f2c51","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T04:39:39.155Z","text":"郭GTV 无罪 - 投资人这以后对美国政府的索赔有积极影响？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q168f5da4d219846f2c51"}}