{"id":"qe538dfcde9ea43488baa","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":871,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:21:01.772Z","text":"这个我在二巡有保存记录 - 打了alter ego； 但是真正疼的点 没说出来。10/15 后后， 看我扒他们的皮 😂","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe538dfcde9ea43488baa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe538dfcde9ea43488baa","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe538dfcde9ea43488baa/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qe538dfcde9ea43488baa","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q9549443cec9524d73209","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:17:51.189Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9549443cec9524d73209"},{"id":"q1a031d23358c0ed84828","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:18:16.631Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a031d23358c0ed84828"},{"id":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:18:38.195Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747"},{"id":"qa06b92be4f2c407ceaae","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:22:19.208Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa06b92be4f2c407ceaae"},{"id":"q43603b5481bbf9b95f61","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:23:30.884Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43603b5481bbf9b95f61"},{"id":"q6e82bc95fa069284692a","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:28:19.218Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e82bc95fa069284692a"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:18:38.195Z","text":"**对，你指出的这点有明确原文支持。我前面把“代投资人追款”作为分析主线，不够准确，应当纠正。**\n\n亚利桑那案 **Dkt.157，第11页脚注13**，法官明确写道：\n\n> “Plaintiff may not recover for other unidentified investors, it may only recover for itself.”\n\n意思是：**原告不能为其他身份不明的投资人追偿，只能为自身追偿。** 这里的原告是 **Mountains of Spices LLC（MOS）**，“自身”指MOS公司，不能直接等同于夏其东个人。[法院裁定原文](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf#page=11)\n\n同一脚注还有两个重要细节：\n\n- MOS称其在其他法院追讨“成员”的资金；法官指出，MOS此前为证明管辖权称自己只有一个成员，因此这些“成员”是谁并不清楚。\n- MOS只证明向Maywind转了 **455万美元**，却在其他法院收回超过800万美元，法官明确质疑是否已经重复受偿。法院最终认定本案判决已经清偿，禁止未经许可继续追收。[同一裁定，第11、13页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf#page=11)\n\n**所以，准确的问题应当改成：MOS在本案以自己的损失索赔，在其他程序又以什么权利依据取得超出455万美元的回收款？**\n\n这比笼统说“夏代表投资人拿回钱却不分配”更符合现有裁定。但这份裁定也没有认定全部回收款属于夏个人，或裁定其他法院的回收违法；那仍要查另外两案的请求和付款依据。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747"}}