{"id":"qe78778aa2f3d2b3f72b3","batch_id":"batch-000148","seq":139,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T07:10:46.363Z","text":"这个推断在经济利益上是说得通的，但“肯定”还是太重。\n\n更准确地说：如果 MOS 经过 Arizona 诉讼，已经把原先从 Maywind 流到 G-Service、Aeon 的资金追回并形成“这是 MOS 自己追回的资产”这个司法叙事，那么从 MOS/夏其东一方的立场看，当然会有很强的动力去主张：\n\n“这笔钱已经通过独立诉讼追回，属于 MOS，不是 Luc 可以再当成郭的 bankruptcy estate 去追的。”\n\n也就是说，他真正想守住的可能不是“洗白”这个词本身，而是司法上已经重新定性过的资产归属。\n\n所以如果 Luc 后面又主张：\nMOS 是郭的 alter ego / 资产属于 estate / 这些钱可被 Trustee 处分，\n\n那两边就会直接冲突：\n\n夏/MOS：这是我们自己通过诉讼追回的钱。\nLuc：这仍然属于郭相关资产池/破产 estate。\n\n这也能解释为什么 MOS 如果去反对 5739，会有现实利益：一旦 Luc 和政府的和解被批准，MOS 可能担心自己已经通过别案追回、并试图确认为自身财产的资产，又被重新装进破产/刑事 forfeiture 的分配框架。\n\n但现在最关键的不是猜夏“想不想”，而是看他的 objection 具体怎么写。只要正文里出现这些词就非常值得注意：\n\nindependent ownership、not property of the estate、prior recovery、judgment satisfaction、double recovery、alter ego、standing、due process。\n\n如果真打的是这些点，那就基本能确认：MOS是在守住那批已经通过独立诉讼拿回来的钱，不想再被 Luc 二次纳入 estate。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qd159c1cd076b483b57c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78778aa2f3d2b3f72b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd159c1cd076b483b57c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78778aa2f3d2b3f72b3","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78778aa2f3d2b3f72b3/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qe78778aa2f3d2b3f72b3","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q93386f2cb68cbaa0da0a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T06:37:29.691Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93386f2cb68cbaa0da0a"},{"id":"q5f5f9ab3baf262dd4d20","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T06:52:07.871Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f5f9ab3baf262dd4d20"},{"id":"qaeea15ccad9f4b0b90c6","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T07:09:37.274Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeea15ccad9f4b0b90c6"},{"id":"q09a8f4f339569c209051","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T07:12:02.846Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09a8f4f339569c209051"},{"id":"qb4bab48fd856cd136afe","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T07:13:04.385Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4bab48fd856cd136afe"},{"id":"qc693db67c98e6088306a","speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-20T07:31:25.801Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc693db67c98e6088306a"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qd159c1cd076b483b57c1","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T06:14:03.175Z","text":"MOS介入，是想保这两笔钱吧？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd159c1cd076b483b57c1"}}