{"id":"qe8aeea614a7690425a3f","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":235,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:47:11.932Z","text":"3. 但Paul Doran那里真的出现了另一种很具体的“防止陪审团把CCP压力连到本案起诉”的限制\n这个比Yi sidebar更加值得研究。\nECF 380，2024年6月24日。\n这是Torres重新考虑ECF338以后作出的order。\n她允许Doran讲：\n1. CCP反对Guo公开支持的特定政治立场；\n2. 纽约的“secret, extra-legal Chinese police station”。\n但其他部分继续排除。尤其是Doran想讲：\nCCP会招募当地人员，并试图让他们进入地方、州、联邦机构工作。\n\nTorres明确说，这种证言会产生显著风险：\n让陪审团误以为参与本案的政府工作人员可能被CCP compromised。\n\n所以依据Rules 401/403继续排除。Midpage\n这和319 Motion 10其实是同一条边界的trial-stage执行：\n可以证明CCP targeting真实存在。\n但是：\n不能把这条事实链延伸成“因此负责郭刑事案的美国政府人员可能也受到CCP渗透/操纵”。\n4. 7月3日Doran作证时，这条边界被现场执行了一次\n这一段非常有意思。\nShroff问到CCP会不会利用虚假刑事指控攻击目标。\nFinkel立即在sidebar表示，这种问法正在暗示：\n“this trial is a false accusation that's been influenced by the CCP.”\n\n他说这已经接近甚至越过法院此前划的线——不能让陪审团暗示本案本身是中国共产党压力造成的。Free Miles Guo\nTorres没有完全接受Government的夸张说法。她明确表示：\n“I really don't believe that they have gotten there.”\n\n也就是：\n我不认为辩方已经走到那一步。\n\n这对辩方其实是有利的。\n但她还是要求Shroff把问题改窄，只问：\nfalse accusations about violations of Chinese law\n\n而不是泛泛问“false criminal accusations”。\n最后法庭认为没必要再问，继续往下。Free Miles Guo\n这里形成了一个很清楚的trial rule：\n可以讲CCP会利用虚假中国刑事指控、监视、黑客、殴打、红色通缉令等跨国镇压手段；\n但不能让这些证据产生“本案SDNY刑事起诉本身也是CCP压力产物”的推论。\n\n而Doran随后仍被允许在陪审团面前详细讲：\n- 滥用Interpol Red Notices；\n- 海外监控；\n- 黑客；\n- 派遣地下人员；\n- 电话监听；\n- 间谍软件；\n- physical intimidation / beatings。Free Miles Guo\n所以又一次证明：不是全面封杀。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8aeea614a7690425a3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158/pages/2","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8aeea614a7690425a3f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8aeea614a7690425a3f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qe8aeea614a7690425a3f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qdf5d6f4a3bb17efa0f89","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:44:19.403Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf5d6f4a3bb17efa0f89"},{"id":"qfcfaab7886a8cf1bfa33","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:44:44.300Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcfaab7886a8cf1bfa33"},{"id":"q334ca8d5b42f6a3de7b1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:46:56.185Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q334ca8d5b42f6a3de7b1"},{"id":"qc7a18ac1dbd92e7661c4","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:47:31.843Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7a18ac1dbd92e7661c4"},{"id":"q7541372566a4fc90fb00","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:47:48.456Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7541372566a4fc90fb00"},{"id":"q8dd203a72c98744d7766","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T02:46:51.775Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dd203a72c98744d7766"}],"parent_message":null}