{"id":"qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef","batch_id":"batch-000149","seq":165,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:56:20.529Z","text":"5739 Paragraph S（Binding Effect）说，只要协议有效，它不仅约束双方和successors/assigns，还要约束依法取得Estate Assets或Forfeiture Assets possession/control的人。\n\n但紧接着 Paragraph T（No Third-Party Beneficiaries）又说：\n\n除特定情况外，没有third-party beneficiaries，而且协议不意图赋予非签约人任何rights、remedies、obligations或limitations。 5739.pdf\n\n这里至少存在一个需要法院解释的边界：\n\nS想让资产处理规则尽量“跟着资产走”；\nT又说不想对非协议第三方产生权利义务限制。\n\n那么异议人完全可能追问：\n\n如果我是独立第三方产权人，5739到底能不能因为我以后取得某项资产的possession/control而约束我？\n\n如果答案是“不能损害独立第三方ownership”，最好就应该在批准order里写清楚。\n\n这可能正是8月25日听证最有价值的部分之一。\n\n⸻\n\n再看Paragraph P，就更明显。\n\n5739对于未来还没列入任何池的资产用了一个非常特别的规则：\n\nLuc先启动追回程序\n→ deemed Estate Asset；\n\nGovernment先启动forfeiture\n→ deemed Forfeiture Asset。 5739.pdf\n\n注意这里的词是 deemed。\n\n这不是司法上的最终ownership determination。\n\n它更像是Luc和Government之间约定：\n\n“我们俩以后谁先动，这项资产在我们双方关系中就先归哪个阵营。”\n\n因此两份异议的意义可能比我们刚才说的更大：","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qea4c32fe4594bf3db9ef","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qd4bd8188fb0d6bb07af1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:55:12.657Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4bd8188fb0d6bb07af1"},{"id":"q481a7ba6acf59218d8d4","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:55:33.948Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q481a7ba6acf59218d8d4"},{"id":"qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:55:56.971Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf36d1c8cfd7adc0c516"},{"id":"qdd8f0498a73a1e8a2feb","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:56:39.001Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd8f0498a73a1e8a2feb"},{"id":"q5904d204a5834ac06057","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-21T18:57:20.643Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5904d204a5834ac06057"},{"id":"q605e9b65c4e23f5b32fa","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-21T19:11:26.357Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605e9b65c4e23f5b32fa"}],"parent_message":null}