{"id":"qef2f6d775fa8c114e40d","batch_id":"batch-000069","seq":286,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-14T20:04:55.828Z","text":"你问的这个问题非常尖、非常关键，而且带有“体系识别意义”，我直接给结论：\n\n在美国联邦司法史上，刑事案件还未量刑前，就出现“三份 mandamus 同时由第二巡回立案并进入审查”的情况——极端罕见，接近没有先例。\n\n不是夸张，是体系上的话。\n\n⸻\n\n一、为什么这几乎不会出现（制度层面的答案）\n\n正常刑事程序路线是：\n    1.    审判（trial）\n    2.    量刑（sentencing）\n    3.    直接上诉（direct appeal）\n    4.    才能进入非常规手段（mandamus、certiorari、habeas、Rule 60等）\n\nmandamus 属于：\n\nKatze-like remedy（猫洞救济 / extraordinary writ）\n\n必须满足 Cheney 三要件：\n\n✔ 无其他救济\n✔ 明确的法律权利\n✔ 明显的司法失当\n\n一般只有在：\n\n地方法院彻底卡死程序\n侵犯不可修复权利\n或政府滥权\n\n才会出现。\n\n所以出现“三件同时在同一个案件、量刑前”反常得不得了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b5225ae12a47f80f933","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef2f6d775fa8c114e40d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b5225ae12a47f80f933","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000069","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000069","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef2f6d775fa8c114e40d","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef2f6d775fa8c114e40d/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qef2f6d775fa8c114e40d","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q03e3a6f60dbea6b7f2e2","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-14T19:58:20.209Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03e3a6f60dbea6b7f2e2"},{"id":"q2ea11cd1ffafb1e56ee3","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-14T20:01:52.666Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ea11cd1ffafb1e56ee3"},{"id":"q8854cecf3a8d735eaf28","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-14T20:03:32.213Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8854cecf3a8d735eaf28"},{"id":"q936b3328eeda387beefd","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-14T20:05:14.060Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q936b3328eeda387beefd"},{"id":"q66f11d714b813720e703","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-14T20:05:49.816Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66f11d714b813720e703"},{"id":"qb0c40c9144656b9499a8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-14T20:06:15.684Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0c40c9144656b9499a8"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9b5225ae12a47f80f933","speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-14T19:43:41.439Z","text":"谁用机器人问一下，美国司法史上，还有没有其他的刑事案件，地区法院还没有量刑之前，就有三个强制令立案的!","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b5225ae12a47f80f933"}}