{"id":"qf008ef43806b53b25fcd","batch_id":"batch-000147","seq":39,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T14:05:24.982Z","text":"“thousands of victims”原本是抓捕、起诉、庭审和量刑的核心叙事，但定罪后的record越来越显示，这个‘几千受害者’并不是一个已经逐人核验、法律身份一致、损失金额清楚的实体群体，而是不断被§853(n)、non-victim声明、产权争议和后续破产记录掏空。现在最该问的是：陪审团当初听到的‘thousands’到底是怎么验证出来的？","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qf90a826436f2e894094e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf008ef43806b53b25fcd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf90a826436f2e894094e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000147","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000147","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf008ef43806b53b25fcd","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf008ef43806b53b25fcd/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf008ef43806b53b25fcd","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qba694d7512ae3deff607","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T13:51:45.031Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba694d7512ae3deff607"},{"id":"qd6583c6bbf00590730d9","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-19T13:54:15.535Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6583c6bbf00590730d9"},{"id":"qa92d8217a3179dcf3f9e","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-19T13:54:54.164Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa92d8217a3179dcf3f9e"},{"id":"qd0404029b5c82e9d713c","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-19T14:50:10.286Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0404029b5c82e9d713c"},{"id":"q1d2fba5bb4319b8c5d60","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-19T14:57:29.839Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d2fba5bb4319b8c5d60"},{"id":"q4e898e4f74bfb8581430","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-19T14:59:11.773Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e898e4f74bfb8581430"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qf90a826436f2e894094e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T13:28:54.598Z","text":"thousands of victim 是抓捕定罪的叙事 结果后面证明是空心化","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf90a826436f2e894094e"}}