{"id":"qf132a3ec238756fde39f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":794,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:17:52.426Z","text":"luc 不可能会给你任何人 提交名单   瑞哥只是打的一个 合理怀疑  你不是潜伏了很久吗  怎么还犯这种错误","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf132a3ec238756fde39f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","notice":"清洗后的社区讨论原话，按时间分批归档，固定首次采集版本，不随原作者后续编辑或删除更新，不含附件内容。含不同观点、推测与未经核实的主张，不代表本站结论或法院认定。导读仅供定位，请阅读完整发言及回复上下文，并结合一手文书核验。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf132a3ec238756fde39f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf132a3ec238756fde39f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf132a3ec238756fde39f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3f929efabfbefdf78ddf","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T19:12:07.773Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f929efabfbefdf78ddf"},{"id":"q7dee38e2b560fd7cb865","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:12:54.384Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dee38e2b560fd7cb865"},{"id":"qed6358c9ebe860a4932f","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:16:56.166Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed6358c9ebe860a4932f"},{"id":"q571cf06deb70ead1d8cd","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:18:45.199Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q571cf06deb70ead1d8cd"},{"id":"q5b2f6d249b5cf1431c8e","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:08.674Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b2f6d249b5cf1431c8e"},{"id":"q2a107789dd157e89f072","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:22.267Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a107789dd157e89f072"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.216Z","text":"有网络有电脑就能发动议，没人阻挡得了你。我只是提醒一下可能出现的几种情况，你要做好应对预案：\n\n1. Torres会先判老郭的刑，判刑当天出初步没收令，开启30天动议提交期，然后处理第三方动议。\n\n2. 老郭被判刑以后肯定要上诉，上诉期间，Torres处理你们第三方动议还可能暂停，所以其实等到处理你们动议的时候老郭要么：\n\n2.1 老郭刑事案翻案：如果是这种情况，那么政府扣押资产都会还给老郭；\n\n2.2 老郭刑事案上诉失败：那你们打第三方动议给老郭翻案也没有用，你说了上诉不审核新证据，只看现有证据\n\n3. 你想通过打第三方动议给老郭翻案，理由是通过第三方动议可以逼Luc交出他登记了哪些老郭的债权人，然后想办法证明这些债权人中有的人申报虚假债权，然后被检方拿来作为老郭搞诈骗的受害人立了一个刑事案，是这个思路吧。如果Luc老奸巨猾，从刑事案第三方程序里退出了，他说政府扣押的资产Luc我不要了，那你怎么通过刑事庭动议继续逼Luc拿出债权人名单？你要想一个备用方案，比如（我随便举例）去破产庭打Luc？\n\n4. 当然，你想提第三方动议尽管去提，谁也阻止不了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c"}}